Part 16 - No knock, no doorbell (SPOILERS)

[KyleRickards]

Just noticed, the music that plays in Episode 1 when we first see BadCoop is the music played as Diane goes to meet her fate with Team FBI


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[kylie]

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but when Diane receives the ":-) ALL" message in the bar the time on her phone shows 16:31, and later in the hotel room she looks again, and it shows 15:50.

What do you think this means?

Yes, it’s been mentioned a lot earlier in the thread, and in fact there is another shot of her screen (I think the second time she looks at it at the bar) where it is a Text Message and not an iMessage and the time is in the 16:40 range. Notice too that in your first screencap there is a period at the end and in the second there is not. Some have posited that these are continuity errors, but I think these differences are very deliberate. They are too obvious for production to have missed.

[zeronumber]

Re: Cooper charisma.

Two points,
First, characteristically, he encompasses much of his spiritual locus within the ideas of Tibetan teachings. He no doubt would revere the Dalai Lama and his everpresent practice of mindfulness and kind compassion; and proves such in deed and demeanor.

Second, his edification that he is "the FBI" harkens to the loyalty he enacts to his oath of service. An oath of allegiance to the Constitution, and that it will be peformed, "well and dutifully".

These two items mesh along with his character of will to not only accomplish the great task at hand, but to do so well.
(Being such, how could anyone not recognize it?)

While some may suggest that he himself is "charmed" in his actions; (christlike, angelic...)
I would submit that he is merely engageing as a worthy epitome of a bodhisattva, or an compassionate agent who comports himself such that it seems karma rewards him, and his excellent intention.

So, with heart, mind, and (as he sees it,) intention all aligned, no small wonder that his progess seems "charmed" or "blessed".

... He is only a man.
Albiet a good, upstanding man.


(...i believe we can save our angelic lauding for our dear Laura~...who indeed is the one!)

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[FlyingSquirrel]

Holy, it's damn tulpa mania in here now. Cooper's a tulpa! Laura's a tulpa! Audrey's a tulpa! Richard's a tulpa! The whole town is a tulpa! The entire SHOW is a tulpa! Yikes. I hope the show itself doesn't go down any absurd paths with this. I thought the Diane tulpa was an interesting twist, but this could get silly fast.

Amen. We've seen the first (Dougie) and last (Diane) tulpas. Lynch/Frost aren't going to allow this thing to become silly.

"This started out as a perfectly reasonable story about alternate dimensions, supernatural serial killers, doppelgangers, and dreams about a man from another place. Now, it's just got silly."

[FlyingSquirrel]

tammy is obviously a tulpa

I think Tammy is just really wooden, runway model acting! But I will agree, she does often seem like an artificial being beamed in from another place to participate in the proceedings.

Well, the FBI of the TP-verse obviously doesn't mind hiring some slightly off-kilter people, or else Cole, Cooper, and Sam Stanley probably wouldn't be in the Bureau either. Tammy's odd demeanor doesn't really bother me in that context. If anything it might seem out of place if she came off as *too* normal, because then they probably wouldn't recruit her for the Blue Rose team in the first place.

She does seem a little more skeptical and conventional in the Secret History - I was a little surprised at how matter-of-factly she responds to some of the weirdness. OTOH, if you assume (as someone suggested in the "Inconsistencies" thread) that she reviewed the dossier before the events of TPTR, she already knows that she's stepped into some strange waters.

(On the other other hand, she shouldn't be asking who Jeffries is in Episode 4 if she'd already reviewed the dossier, so... )

[yaxomoxay]

It's also missing the dot. It looks like punctuation always changes when a message by badCoop is received by Diane.

Probably just an error.


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[Rex]

Not really sure we can say the Mitchum Bros have "Hearts of Gold". Pretty sure they are still murderers, and were definitely planning to Kill Dougie...

I have had more & more reservations about the hearts-of-gold madness the more I think about it, how it seems to have overlooked some glaring exceptions of the brothers' -- but I've hoped to wait til the end & see how it plays out before I decide for sure. Even from Cooper's own words, would it be so out of character for the Coop we once knew to utter one thing while having a reversal-plan of action in mind that contradicts what was said?

I've had no issue with the 'Hearts of Gold' line because, from Coop's perspective, he first met them when he delivered them a cherry pie and a shit load of money and, after some initial gun waving, they've been the best of friends ever since. He's not been exposed to their beating the crap out of a guy. And he spent a whole evening with them and the 'Andies. He's probably seen more of their good will than we have (and, conversely, we've seen more of their bad will - even so, the only suggestion we have of them killing someone is when someone puts the idea into their head that Dougie has screwed them over with both the casino winnings and the insurance).

And, ultimately, it just sounds like Cooper putting his usual over the top positive spin on things.

On the Mitchell brothers, I think he's bringing them in.

[Mr. Strawberry]

If Richard's father was born in 1973, then he would be nearly 25 years his senior. That's one small detail about his arrest report that seems to "make sense" in light of what he said to Richard regarding their age difference. The report listed his birthdate as August 15, 1973.

It was regarded as a goof here on the forums, yet it's hard to imagine that we might recognize an error of that nature, while the entire production team would not. It's rather glaring, wouldn't you say? Why his birth date would be identical to William Hastings, and why it would differ from Dale's, though, is just about impossible for me to make sense of, if these are not errors.

[TheGum]

Ok- so here are my thoughts after a rewatch:

-Jerry Horne was definitely there to show us Doppelcoop's (close!) proximity to Twin Peaks. I believe he recognizes Coop somehow.

-For all the nitpicking about the 25 years line, did anyone think that it was just a plain lie to make Richard go up there? I think the number is arbitrary to Doppelcoop, he's not concerned with the truth.

-there is totally a glitch right when Richard starts getting shocked/vaporized with Jerry and his binoculars. Like a double take thing. Definitely not natural and I'm guessing intentional.

-I think the banal coma/electricity conversation is significant. It's there to makes us question. Bradley also mentions electricity.

-Bushnell give me some of those sandwiches, I'm starving!

-Coop mentions the exact location of the .38 Bushnell carries, he IS 100%. He is using those borderline supernatural perception skills that are so remarkable in season 1, I have no doubt he knows the kind of people the Mitchums are AND have been on all sides. Coops no stranger to shades of gray, and whether he believes the good outweighs the bad, or if he just needs a quick ride, it's he clear he knows exactly what he's doing.

-the phone time stamp is definitely intentional. I'm not sure how this is all gonna add up, but they show the message on the lock screen, with no time, cut away, and then show ANOTHER close up of just the time, huge, before Diane unlocks it. There's no way that was an error. As for the time passing 12 minutes, I think she sits there for a few minutes trying to remember the numbers. There's an abrupt cut before she starts saying "I remember" and types the coordinates.

-I'm still confused about the Diane scene with the agents. The memories are definitely real, the emotion is real. I think she figures out that she's not really her in the moment. And I think Naido is her. It's notable that the tulpas do seem to become their own person to a degree. Dougie and Diane definitely lived their own lives and made their own choices. I think that Diane was able to figure out what she was because of knowledge she got working at the bureau, hence the "I know, fuck you" in the lodge.

-really worried that the Vedder song is a harbinger of doom for coop, at very least I fear he's permanently gone from earth. It really makes me think of the first episode of season two, and his list of things he wished he had accomplished. I want Cooper to have a chance st a life. It also makes me think of the giants words- "the question is not where I came from, but where have YOU gone?"

-Here's a thought: does the new roadhouse make ANY sense whatsoever in the context of Twin Peaks? It's in a small mountain town, packed with young people, AND national acts. Dream logic obviously factors in a bit, but maybe it factors in A LOT here.

-the electricity sound is VERY significant at the end. I feel it definitely signifies lodge involvement in Audrey's situation. http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/lynch/dav ... ectricity/

[Denise's Pieces]

-Here's a thought: does the new roadhouse make ANY sense whatsoever in the context of Twin Peaks? It's in a small mountain town, packed with young people, AND national acts. Dream logic obviously factors in a bit, but maybe it factors in A LOT here.

For a town of 51,000 people it absolutely makes sense. The combined population of the 'Real' Twin Peaks, Snoqualmie and North Bend, WA, is around 22-23k people. There's a bunch of bars showcasing live music. Not nightly, but still...
For the fictional LOCATION of Twin Peaks, out in the boonies 2 hours from Spokane? Eh, not so much. The closest Real town to the fictional location is Metaline Falls, WA, with a bustling population of around 413 (that's including the nearby town of Metaline).

[Framed_Angel]

Ok- so here are my thoughts after a rewatch: -I'm still confused about the Diane scene with the agents. The memories are definitely real, the emotion is real. I think she figures out that she's not really her in the moment. And I think Naido is her. It's notable that the tulpas do seem to become their own person to a degree.

The only thing about Diane = Naido that bothers me is what Andy said. "She is important -- people want her dead." TIf this applies to Diane - - why?? Do we have time to go into an exposition of all Diane's possible enemies??... I'd prefer Naido is blending into the story somehow plausibly given what we know of her other than she's a wanted woman. Of course, instead of giving her sanctuary alongside medical attention and questioning her, they drape her in a robe ("That's better -- she just needed clothes! Problem solved!"); throw her in a jail cell alongside a drooling mimic and a craven deputy; ... nonetheless I want to keep options open who/ what else Diane's identity might be connecting with at the sheriff's or anywhere in Twin Peaks.

I haven't yet processed all the implications how Diane/Tulpa-Diane seemed so real -- had a lover leaving the apartment in Philly when Albert & Gordon paid their visit -- reaction to seeing/ talking to Mr C was so real - - snarky with her retorts and checking her text messages with all the familiar casualness as well as concern as we learned what those messages were - - but I've reached processing-burnout-syndrome trying to apply any sensible analytical thought to tulpas. If they resist deconstructing I'm not the one to deconstruct their meaning.

re: "I'm at the sheriff's staion":
She/ Diane's 'real' identity could be someone on-her-way to Twin Peaks but hasnt' necessarily arrived yet. To get all dian-anagrammy again we've seen the M/S/C-andies are en route there haven't we? And "DIANE" rearranges to "A-N-D-I-E"~

[Manwith]

(On the other other hand, she shouldn't be asking who Jeffries is in Episode 4 if she'd already reviewed the dossier, so... )

Maybe she just asked it for conversation sake. The full story was classified and she couldn't read it.

Oddly, in FWWM Gordon implies Jeffries is a *famous* missing FBI Agent people learn about during their Agent training. This is also a bit inconsistent with the new show where it seems he isn't well known. Per the FWWM script Gordon said " COOPER, MEET THE LONG LOST PHILLIP JEFFRIES. YOU MAY HAVE HEARD OF HIM AT THE ACADEMY."

I imagine the idea in FWWM is he's famous the way D.B. Cooper is in real life, though the "blue rose" aspect may not be famous. The new show seems to have dropped that idea. (I guess it's possible he's famous for something other than being missing.)

[Mace]

Another anagram of Diane who is at the Sheriff Station is:

Spoiler:

Diane = Andie = Andy

Edit: Darn, Framed_Angel beat me to it.

[KyleRickards]

(On the other other hand, she shouldn't be asking who Jeffries is in Episode 4 if she'd already reviewed the dossier, so... )

Maybe she just asked it for conversation sake. The full story was classified and she couldn't read it.

Oddly, in FWWM Gordon implies Jeffries is a *famous* missing FBI Agent people learn about during their Agent training. This is also a bit inconsistent with the new show where it seems he isn't well known. Per the FWWM script Gordon said " COOPER, MEET THE LONG LOST PHILLIP JEFFRIES. YOU MAY HAVE HEARD OF HIM AT THE ACADEMY."

I imagine the idea in FWWM is he's famous the way D.B. Cooper is in real life, though the "blue rose" aspect may not be famous. The new show seems to have dropped that idea. (I guess it's possible he's famous for something other than being missing.)

Being a pop star on his days off?


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[Ross]

If Richard's father was born in 1973, then he would be nearly 25 years his senior. That's one small detail about his arrest report that seems to "make sense" in light of what he said to Richard regarding their age difference. The report listed his birthdate as August 15, 1973.

It was regarded as a goof here on the forums, yet it's hard to imagine that we might recognize an error of that nature, while the entire production team would not. It's rather glaring, wouldn't you say? Why his birth date would be identical to William Hastings, and why it would differ from Dale's, though, is just about impossible for me to make sense of, if these are not errors.

That's not true either. If Cooper was born in 1973 he'd have been 15 during the original series. And would be 15 years older than Richard...