Elric99 wrote:Hester Prynne wrote:AgentEcho wrote:
I don't really know what to think of the Roadhouse scenes as a whole - whether they are real or some sort of projection of different characters' thoughts, dreams, etc. I think there is one shot of the lights outside before the epic sweeping scene where all four lights are lit instead of just the three that are lit whenever there are performances, but I don't know if that has any meaning. I thought maybe it was some sort of code for shady dealings like the light at the top during the original series that warned Jacques to stay away.
Hmm yeah I went back to check how the lights outside the Roadhouse were lit for each time. Here's my notes below. The only time all the lights are on and all 4 floodlights directly under the Roadhouse sign are working is in Part 7, the sweeping scene with no band performing. That episode is also the one that ends at the RR Diner with the extras changing suddenly and the Windom Earle theme "hidden" underneath the Sleepwalk song. What does it all mean ?!
roadhouse: 4 upper level lights, 3 lights that curve down, 4 floodlights right under bang bang sign
part 2: 0-0-3. chromatics, shelly, renee, james, freddie, red
part 3: ?-?-?. only reflection of sign in puddle. only band plays, no characters.
part 4: ?-?-3. closeup of sign, can only see floodlights. only band plays, no characters.
part 5: 0-0-3. "bing", richard horne, chad
part 6: 0-0-3. only band plays, no characters.
part 7: 4-3-4. sweeping scene, jean-michel. this part ends with the strange RR Diner scene where Bing shouts about Billy, not at roadhouse.
part 8: ?-?-?. no sign shown at all. pine cone announcer, "the" NIN.
part 9: ?-?-?. only reflection of sign in puddle. "rash" girl/penguin talk.
part 10: 0-0-3. only band plays, no characters.
part 12: ?-?-3. closeup of sign, can only see floodlights. chromatics. talk about angela, clark, mary, trick getting run off road
part 13: 0-0-3. pine cone announcer, james' song, renee
part 14: ?-?-3. closeup of sign, can only see floodlights. talk about "nuthouse" and Tina and BIlly
part 15: 0-0-3. crawling/screaming woman.
part 16: 0-0-3. pine cone announcer, eddie vedder, audrey, charlie
I checked the Roadhouse scenes for clues as well but didn't find anything conclusive. Apart from the shot in Part 7, there are only 3 different kinds of exterior shots: a shot of the reflection of the Bang Bang sign in the puddle (Parts 3, 5, 9), an exterior shot of the Roadhouse (Parts 2, 5, 6, 10, 13, 15 [second scene], 16), and a close-up of the flashing Bang Bang sign (Parts 2, 4, 12, 14, 15 [first scene]). Most scenes use only one of the shots, except for Parts 2 and 5, which use two of the shots. It's raining in all of the shots and they were probably filmed at the same time. Some of the shots are reused footage. Part 8 (Nine Inch Nails) is the only scene that doesn't use any exterior shot at all and it is the first scene that features the MC.
Roadhouse exterior shots:
- Part 2: two people pass by, two people get out of the green car, a biker on a motorcycle arrives and stops in front of the Roadhouse. This is followed by close-up of Roadhouse sign.
- Parts 5 and 13: two guys pass by, a biker on a motorcycle with beaming headlights is standing in front of Roadhouse (this is probably a continuation of the scene from Part 2 where the biker arrived). The shot in Part 5 is preceded by a shot of the puddle.
- Part 6: The biker who arrived in Part 2 walks past the Roadhouse from left to right, a car drives by from right to left.
- Parts 10 and 15 [second scene]: a couple holding hands passes by, a biker on a motorcycle arrives and stops in front of the Roadhouse (this might be an alternate shot of the scene from Part 2 because the couple looks like the two people who got out of the car, the motorcycle arrives a bit later than in Part 2 and stops in the same spot, and the second couple from Part 2 isn't in this shot).
- Part 16: two people walk by from left to right, there are reflections of passing cars in the Roadhouse windows.
Roadhouse puddle shots:
- Part 3: shows only the puddle
- Parts 5 and 9: show the same shot of someone stepping into the puddle, the shot in Part 5 is followed by the exterior shot of the Roadhouse
My conclusion: I don't think there is anything in these shots that could tell us if the scenes are real or dreams. The shots of the Roadhouse are all similar and probably just one scene (or different takes) that was chopped up, some of it reused (the original series also reused exterior shots sometimes, so I don't think it means anything). I can't really make out a pattern in the use of the three different shots. Some of the weird scenes like Audrey, James singing and Rebekah Del Rio wearing a dress that looks like the floor of the Black Lodge use the exterior shot of the Roadhouse, but this kind of shot is also used for scenes that most people believe are real, like Richard or Shelly, Renee, James, Freddie and Red (though interestingly, those two scenes are the only ones that are preceded by two shots). If there were any clues that tell us the scenes are real or dreams, I think they would be more obvious and not require us to look at extras passing by the Roadhouse. Looking at the appearance of the MC doesn't help me either. He appears in weird scenes like Audrey's, but he is also in the scene where James and Freddie fight with Chuck. That scene is weird enough to be unreal and it features a guy who was mentioned by Audrey, but if the scene was unreal, how did James and Freddie end up in prison for putting two guys in intensive care?
I think we probably won't get an answer because I doubt the last two episodes will go back to all the Roadhouse scenes to tells us if they were real or not. Unless there's a clue that we all missed in all these scenes and will be revealed in the final episode. Or maybe everything is a dream or illusion.
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