Part 16 - No knock, no doorbell (SPOILERS)

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Re: Part 16 - No knock, no doorbell (SPOILERS)

Postby Metamorphia » Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:27 pm

I feel very strange and wonderful things
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Re: Part 16 - No knock, no doorbell (SPOILERS)

Postby Troubbble » Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:28 pm

Guys, I don't know if I can sleep tonight. Absolutely on fire over what I just saw, and feel so unbelievably blessed that this is even happening to begin with. Wow...
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Re: Part 16 - No knock, no doorbell (SPOILERS)

Postby Metamorphia » Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:28 pm

I had tears in my eyes when Dougie said his goodbyes! What a journey this has been
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Re: Part 16 - No knock, no doorbell (SPOILERS)

Postby mtwentz » Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:28 pm

The Grey Lodge wrote:
SpookyDollhouse wrote:
mtwentz wrote:
Except none of the episodes were boring- it's just that this one kicked ass a little more!!!!


This. If it was "boring" then that's on you.


I was responding to someone saying that TPTR wasn't boring (to me) as if that is an objective fact. It is not since art is subjective. After all, "One man's trash..." and all that jazz.

It was boring to ME. End of discussion.


It was actually kind of a joke on my part. On another thread, people have been substituting their subjective opinion for objective fact, and I was doing the same as a wink in their direction.

But I am glad you enjoyed at least this episode.

I truly do understand it's all subjective, no offense intended. I really hope you see the earlier episodes in a better light, but if not, I hope you enjoy everything going forward.
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Re: Part 16 - No knock, no doorbell (SPOILERS)

Postby SpookyDollhouse » Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:28 pm

The Grey Lodge wrote:
SpookyDollhouse wrote:
mtwentz wrote:
Except none of the episodes were boring- it's just that this one kicked ass a little more!!!!


This. If it was "boring" then that's on you.


I was responding to someone saying that TPTR wasn't boring (to me) as if that is an objective fact. It is not since art is subjective. After all, "One man's trash..." and all that jazz.

It was boring to ME. End of discussion.


ok, and you publicly gave your opinion on a public message board where people publicly post opinions and debate them.

Dude who says you decide when and where a discussion begins & ends? You can't stop anybody from disagreeing or debating you. Know that before you comment! :P
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Re: Part 16 - No knock, no doorbell (SPOILERS)

Postby Mace » Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:29 pm

Grabbed two frames of the bug that quickly shrinks and disappears. That's too well timed and conspicuous to be a coincidence.
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Also note that Sonny Jim is wearing a green shirt with a gold/yellow jacket which are two colors that were prominently featured throughout this season. Dougie wore bold green and gold/yellow jackets this season also. Those colors along with black and red make up the bug image on the screen.
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Re: Part 16 - No knock, no doorbell (SPOILERS)

Postby Deep Thought » Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:30 pm

Confirmed: gangsters with hearts of gold.
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Re: Part 16 - No knock, no doorbell (SPOILERS)

Postby Hester Prynne » Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:30 pm

SpookyDollhouse wrote:
Btw the whole revelation with Diane is something I totally didn't call. She was made by Cooper, presumably Cooper from the future. He set most of this up it seems. Time really has folded in on itself!


Damn! I didn't think of that. Wow! I keep thinking of Coop talking to her in the tape recorder - that whole time he was talking to someone who possibly wasn't real and created by his doppelgänger in the future. What does that mean about Janey-E who is supposed to be her half sister?

What's with the "seed" that Coop knows about? Are we all just manufactured for a purpose?

I thought maybe Bad Coop killed the real Diane and had a facsimile created of her.

Oh, and the coordinates lead to the Sheriff's station?! Looks like those other 2 sets of coordinates were bogus.
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Re: Part 16 - No knock, no doorbell (SPOILERS)

Postby mtwentz » Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:31 pm

Deep Thought wrote:Confirmed: gangsters with hearts of gold.


Yeah, but blame Francis Ford for that, not Lynch...
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Re: Part 16 - No knock, no doorbell (SPOILERS)

Postby djsunyc » Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:33 pm

Hester Prynne wrote:
SpookyDollhouse wrote:
Btw the whole revelation with Diane is something I totally didn't call. She was made by Cooper, presumably Cooper from the future. He set most of this up it seems. Time really has folded in on itself!


Damn! I didn't think of that. Wow! I keep thinking of Coop talking to her in the tape recorder - that whole time he was talking to someone who possibly wasn't real and created by his doppelgänger in the future. What does that mean about Janey-E who is supposed to be her half sister?

What's with the "seed" that Coop knows about? Are we all just manufactured for a purpose?

I thought maybe Bad Coop killed the real Diane and had a facsimile created of her.

Oh, and the coordinates lead to the Sheriff's station?! Looks like those other 2 sets of coordinates were bogus.


i'm not sure about future cooper making diane. it seems to me diane was real, existed during the first 2 seasons of twin peaks and was then raped by dopplecoop 4 years after the season 2 finale. then he created a dopplediane and had her exist so he can use her 20 years later.
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Re: Part 16 - No knock, no doorbell (SPOILERS)

Postby Ashok » Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:34 pm

Mr. C said he got 3 sets of coordinates, 2 are fake are 1 is real.

If I understand this correctly, Jeffries and Diane are both working against Mr. C and gave him fake coordinates to kill him? But the set he got from Ray are real?
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Re: Part 16 - No knock, no doorbell (SPOILERS)

Postby richsmith » Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:34 pm

If this Diane was a tulpa, then what are we retrospectively meant to make of her scene with EvilCoop in the jailhouse? She seemed so genuinely disturbed and vulnerable there. Was it another one of the moments like in her last scene in Gordon's hotel room where the "real" Diane was struggling to get out?
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Re: Part 16 - No knock, no doorbell (SPOILERS)

Postby Hester Prynne » Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:35 pm

djsunyc wrote:wait...is naido the real diane?

i'm in the sherrif's office. HOLY SH T.

NAIDO - O-DIAN spelled backwards.


WHOA!!!!
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Re: Part 16 - No knock, no doorbell (SPOILERS)

Postby djsunyc » Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:35 pm

richsmith wrote:If this Diane was a tulpa, then what are we retrospectively meant to make of her scene with EvilCoop in the jailhouse? She seemed so genuinely disturbed and vulnerable there. Was it another one of the moments like in her last scene in Gordon's hotel room where the "real" Diane was struggling to get out?


it seems to me that the text :) ALL was something to wake her up.
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Re: Part 16 - No knock, no doorbell (SPOILERS)

Postby djsunyc » Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:35 pm

richsmith wrote:If this Diane was a tulpa, then what are we retrospectively meant to make of her scene with EvilCoop in the jailhouse? She seemed so genuinely disturbed and vulnerable there. Was it another one of the moments like in her last scene in Gordon's hotel room where the "real" Diane was struggling to get out?


it seems to me that the text :) ALL was something to wake her up.

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