asmahan wrote:Was the sex act needed to open some kind of pathway between worlds?
And Diane sees a tulpa/herself when Coop goes inside to get a room. The hotel, car, and setting change when Coop leaves - they were driving a much older car before, the hotel is more modern and has two stories, and Coop is now in a populated town instead of out in the middle of nowhere. Were they in the past and then leaped into the future? Was it even Diane that left him the note or someone completely different?
Also, he is in "Odessa." The name interpretation is feminine/full of wrath, and he eats at Judy's. What's that all about?
.... I just finished it and I feel like my entire soul has been sucked out of me..
The first hour was one of the best episodes of television I''ve ever seen. Never thought we'd see Leo or Pete again..
Then the final... Seriously?!?! I feel like i just got dumped by the love of my life. If this was all a dream meaning everything we've seen for the past three seasons or 27 years was fake I will have lost all hope... I really hope he's actually trapped in some alternate dimension or time period and that everything we saw in this episode was either in the future or the past. I just can't believe Lynch would out do the cliff hanger from season 2 by times like A MILLION!!!
If there isn't a season 4 being made by end of 2018 I will be very angry. All though I'm sure Lynch will find a way to screw with me at the end of that one too...
Jonah wrote:though he has taken the time to analyse my post to the extent that he - or she - has counted the number of times I used a word and given me sarcastic bonus points for then using a couple of other adjectives.
I went back and read it again to make sure I wasn't missing something and just being unfairly flippant...but, nope, I wasn't!
I'm curious why James Marshall was happy with the role he was given. Didn't he mention something about being important and having a great character arc? I feel his role was disjointed and cut short. Ditto Audrey - but Sherilyn Fenn said she was happy with what she'd been given too, though at least her arc was more intriguing.
Shelley/Madchen Amick's arc literally went nowhere too. (Not to mention Becky's.) So many others too.
But I think the most disappointing use of a returning character overall was Ray Wise's Leland. He returned to say two words "Find Laura" twice. And that - unbelievably - was it. Sarah's role was very disappointing too. It had so much potential and then it just sort of....ended. (And somehow she returned to the Palmer house and wasn't arrested after that incident at the bar.)
Speaking of Ray Wise.... Does anyone else feel that the Palmer "scene" Lynch scripted and filmed for the Blu-Ray was a lot more satisfying than this season overall? At least for the Palmer characters?
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I have no idea where this will lead us, but I have a definite feeling it will be a place both wonderful and strange.
Still not sure what to make of Part 17+18. Overall I'm just left with the feeling that The Return was worth it but my favorite aspect of new Twin Peaks was ironically the Dougie Jones storyline.
crash_and_burn wrote:The thing about the sex scene is that it was intentionally made to make you feel uncomfortable, the music was a juxtipositon of MD/IE-esque drone intermittently mixed with '50's love ballads.
There was nothing normal about that sex scene.
The song was "My Prayer", which was the song playing in 1956 at the end of part 8.
Yes, that was an extremely effective call back. It really created a sense of dread.
WhiteLodge90 wrote:.... I just finished it and I feel like my entire soul has been sucked out of me..
The first hour was one of the best episodes of television I''ve ever seen. Never thought we'd see Leo or Pete again..
Then the final... Seriously?!?! I feel like i just got dumped by the love of my life. If this was all a dream meaning everything we've seen for the past three seasons or 27 years was fake I will have lost all hope... I really hope he's actually trapped in some alternate dimension or time period and that everything we saw in this episode was either in the future or the past. I just can't believe Lynch would out do the cliff hanger from season 2 by times like A MILLION!!!
If there isn't a season 4 being made by end of 2018 I will be very angry. All though I'm sure Lynch will find a way to screw with me at the end of that one too...
Jonah wrote:I'm curious why James Marshall was happy with the role he was given. Didn't he mention something about being important and having a great character arc? I feel his role was disjointed and cut short. Ditto Audrey - but Sherilyn Fenn said she was happy with what she'd been given too, though at least her arc was more intriguing.
Shelley/Madchen Amick's arc literally went nowhere too. (Not to mention Becky's.) So many others too.
But I think the most disappointing use of a returning character overall was Ray Wise's Leland. He returned to say two words "Find Laura" twice. And that - unbelievably - was it. Sarah's role was very disappointing too. It had so much potential and then it just sort of....ended. (And somehow she returned to the Palmer house and wasn't arrested after that incident at the bar.)
Speaking of Ray Wise.... Does anyone else feel that the Palmer "scene" Lynch scripted and filmed for the Blu-Ray was a lot more satisfying than this season overall? At least for the Palmer characters?
It's almost as if arcs weren't the point. The good thing is if we want that we can watch literally any other show that's ever been on television.
Part 18 was a masterpiece. Part 17 was nice except for the Fantastic Four remake. I was afraid of Freddy's "destiny," but now I need not fear the inevitable, I can fast forward through it.
Good job Freddy! James was also awesome the way he held those shoulders.
(Actually, I am in awe, and am more appreciative of the the scenes that repulse me initially, because I trust there will be a ring to grasp at the end of my journey).
For some reason Carrie/Laura's horseshoe necklace made me think of the casino. I can't draw a solid connection but I don't think it's a coincidence either.
A fitting coda for the Twin Peaks experience. Laura's scream at the end is a painful reminder of the trauma of abuse that lies at the heart of this story. No matter how far the story strays from that, it will always come back to Laura's pain. Although the characters may try to ignore it, and in spite of some reality shift that almost deletes it, Laura's horrible life experience is always looming in the shadows and crying out for recognition. As unsettling as this ending is, it does do her struggle justice in that it acknowledges the horror of it.
At least in this instance Cooper is there to confront it with her. So maybe that's a silver lining here?
Genuinely astonished by how many people there are that didn't enjoy 18, to the point where there are multiple posters claiming they're in tears at how awful it was.
I'd rate it as my second favourite episode of The Return after 8. Loved it.
