Part 18 - What is your name? (SPOILERS)

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Re: Part 18 - What is your name? (SPOILERS)

Postby mtwentz » Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:16 am

Johnsusername wrote:Finally watched the last two episodes. I delayed my TP viewing as I was away etc.

Anyway....bloody amazing! The whole thing (expect for maybe a little dip in the middle) was dazzling television.

As for the last act - I'm not going to say I understood it, or that I would have liked more resolution, but the final scene with Cooper and Laura was unreal. It was probably the most unsettling TV I've ever watched. The last hour was (to use a cliche) totally Lynch. It was so like FWWM, MD, LH, BV I had goosebumps.

Lynch and Frost have turned Twin Peaks upside down and inside out - for good and bad, but mostly good. And it'll never be the same again.

What a ride 2017 has been.

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Agreed!
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Postby zeronumber » Sat Sep 30, 2017 12:17 pm

claaa7 wrote:this was a good observation from the 17/18 sync analysis though:

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^ Diane + Marjorie Cameron (later Parson) as we read about in Frost's Secret History

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..the long lost Phillip Jeffries...

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Re: Part 18 - What is your name? (SPOILERS)

Postby Mr. Reindeer » Sun Oct 01, 2017 2:04 pm

Most of the theorizing on Carrie Page's name has focused on the surname and possible significance re: the missing diary page. However, it just occurred to me that the first name is very interesting in light of L/F's playful habit of using character names to allude to famous film works (including Laura's original name). Carrie is of course a very famous film and novel, which just happens to deal with a psychologically abused high school girl getting revenge on her enemies via supernatural abilities. Is this a hint at what Laura might be capable of? (Not saying I want to see the story go this way, but the allusion seems too perfect not to be intentional.
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Re: Part 18 - What is your name? (SPOILERS)

Postby mtwentz » Sun Oct 01, 2017 2:22 pm

Mr. Reindeer wrote:Most of the theorizing on Carrie Page's name has focused on the surname and possible significance re: the missing diary page. However, it just occurred to me that the first name is very interesting in light of L/F's playful habit of using character names to allude to famous film works (including Laura's original name). Carrie is of course a very famous film and novel, which just happens to deal with a psychologically abused high school girl getting revenge on her enemies via supernatural abilities. Is this a hint at what Laura might be capable of? (Not saying I want to see the story go this way, but the allusion seems too perfect not to be intentional.


That was my thought especially since her scream seems to have blown out the lights in the Tremond/Palmer house. BTW, a lot of people on the Internet thought the first Woodsman in the jail next to Hastings looked similar to the creepy Jesus statue from 'Carrie'.
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Re: Part 18 - What is your name? (SPOILERS)

Postby Hester Prynne » Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:14 pm

Listened to another great podcast from Entertainment Weekly. One of the critics posed the idea of the Palmer house in fact being the black lodge - the idea that some of the greatest evils take place sadly in the home behind closed doors. "It is in our house now." - Some nice commentary on this and other aspects of the show.

I've been going back and forth with the finale and the end result of what Cooper and Laura have actually done. After the initial watch, I had a darker interpretation - that something went wrong in "the return" of Laura to her home - that Cooper had faltered similar to when he showed imperfect courage at the end of Season 2, and Judy's influence had altered reality and prevented the return of both Dale and Laura to Twin Peaks, or at least the Twin Peaks as they knew it. However, in reading and listening to different things online, there is another interpretation - that this was a plan set in motion by the Fireman to trap Judy, and when Carrie/Laura lets out that blood curdling scream that knocks the lights out in the Palmer house, she has vanquished Judy, and Cooper's journey was ultimately successful.

Where is everyone on this right now? We know that something is off about Cooper in the last episode, and there is some criticism of Cooper's character for returning Carrie to a place of immeasurable pain and sorrow that she had long forgotten as part of this plan, unless he thought his only goal was to return Laura home, and the Fireman kept the rest from him. Was his mission ultimately successful, or has he found himself trapped again as he was 25 years ago?

Also, some people have floated the idea that elements of Mr. C are present in Dale/Richard, that somehow their identities have merged. Any thoughts on his name being the name of his offspring, Richard, and are there any similarities in that last episode? Yes, Richard was Mr. C's son, but Mr. C was a version/tulpa of Cooper. It's ironic that his name in this reality is that of a homicidal son he never knew - probably nothing to that, but just thought it was another interesting layer.
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Re: Part 18 - What is your name? (SPOILERS)

Postby Rhodes » Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:45 am

I just now saw 'The Grandmother' (1970) for the first time. What an incredible film for such a young filmmaker working with such a tight budget! The atmosphere, the sound design, the special effects, everything is there! I like it better than Eraserhead.

I thought there were many influences on Twin Peaks and The Return. If Lynch had wanted to do another ''stand alone' episode (like part 8 ), I think 'The Mother' (if it had not been previously released) would have blended in perfectly in The Return! E.g. as an intermezzo about the Chalfonts.
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Re: Part 18 - What is your name? (SPOILERS)

Postby bowisneski » Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:00 pm

I'm not sure if there's anything here, but I found something in a re-read of the FWwM script that I found intriguing and had completely forgotten about.
238. BLACK LODGE/RED ROOM

Laura is sitting in a chair. As the end credits begin...

We move back to see that Laura is sitting in Cooper's lap in the
same chair.

FADE OUT.


THE END

As scripted, the movie didn't end with the angels or resolution and catharsis for Laura, it is much closer to the ending we got here mixed with that of the European pilot. Just a Laura and Dale trapped in the Lodge.

Does anyone know how, when, or why the angels were added?

As much as I currently think and want to believe the "Laura" Coop interacted with in the Lodge this season, who was ripped from it, is Carrie Page/a tulpa and Laura still got her FWwM ending, this makes me consider that that really is Laura and the ambiguous ending of her being trapped is something that has been with Lynch much longer than the crafting of Season 3.

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