Re: Part 18 - What is your name? (SPOILERS)
Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:58 pm
Just BOB looking for mommy??KyleRickards wrote:
Also, if BadCoop had met Judy, what did he expect to happen? That wouldn't have gone well would it?
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Just BOB looking for mommy??KyleRickards wrote:
Also, if BadCoop had met Judy, what did he expect to happen? That wouldn't have gone well would it?
Yeah I agree with this - I think there is an attempt to either play on the current state of film/television in the same way Twin Peaks originally played on soap-opera. I just don't think its successful, in part because I don't think it really says *anything* about it, nor does it sincerely use the tropes of the genre its riffing on to actually engage us in the story, the way that the melodrama between Donna and James both poked fun at soaps while also sincerely using them as a device to heighten emotion and draw us into the story. Freddy adds nothing, other than to make one of the climaxes of the show feel farcical. It's greatest crime for me was diminishing Bob as a villain - the story of original Twin Peaks and FWWM was that Bob could only be defeated by Laura. Not some random cockney dude.thedarktrees wrote:Yeah I still have a bit of a hard time with the whole Freddie scenario. Like it was SO absurd and even stupid, and they clearly knew that. I more or less subscribe to the idea that it really is a tongue-in-cheek jab at viewer expectations, the desire for resolution and hero triumph etc. If they really wanted a more sincere version of this kind of character and narrative element, the Freddie situation could have been done in countless other non-absurdly comedic ways. His power glove could have given him the ability to catch and contain Bob. Or he could have been given a magic box. Or ANYTHING. But that they went the glove and power punch route is pretty telling that this whole thing is an ironic jab.firefly2193 wrote:
The other mess has to do with Freddie. I feel that whole character has to have some other meaning behind it, because him defeating Bob by punching him is so awful and basically offensive to the original Twin Peaks storyline. People have said its a commentary on Superhero films/shows, but the original show never put its parodying aspects at the heart of the story - the soap opera elements were the things surrounding the central mystery, they were fun decoration. Laura's story was always treated with utmost seriousness. It seems weird that Lynch, having called the [back half] of season 2 "stupid" would write this as the final defeating of Bob. Is it just an awful Mark Frost idea that Lynch has for some reason signed off on?
Even seeing it that way, I still don't think it works. But I do think that's what it is all about.
My first thought was Henry Spencer's hair, although it's not a great match. More a spiritual similarity than literal.Deep Thought wrote:Has this been commented on yet? What happens to Mr. C in the giant's cage? I have a guess, but I don't think it is right. (I lightened the second picture up a little. coop cage.jpgcoop cage 2.jpgcoop cage 3.jpg
Pretty sure it was "Kristi."asmahan wrote:Did anyone catch what was written on the Texas waitress' name tag? Looked like Xochitl or something beginning with an X.
I've been thinking on this too. Obviously it seems to be set up as a red herring with the "Richard and Linda" clue. But I don't think being used as misdirection is its only function.tresojos wrote:is there any link between richard horne (evil coopers seed) and coopers other self being richard? one that is partly bad coop and good coop.
Mr C was looking for the experiment. When Cooper went into the Richard reality he still had the same desire to track down the experiment, but for different reasons. I think the death of his son or rather Mr C's son did play a part in Cooper waking from the two Coolers dream, realizing what he had done (Diane is Coolers memories. That's why he asked if she remembered everything) and Coop reacted to this by creating a new fantasy in changing the past where Laura wasn't killed or used her to get rid of Judy in Sarah. I think Sonny Jim sirt if represents Coop imagining going back to Richards childhood to what could've been and that's why Coop was crying when he saw Sonny Jim in the car back in episode 5 or 6.PDCampbell wrote:I've been thinking on this too. Obviously it seems to be set up as a red herring with the "Richard and Linda" clue. But I don't think being used as misdirection is its only function.tresojos wrote:is there any link between richard horne (evil coopers seed) and coopers other self being richard? one that is partly bad coop and good coop.
I'm still curious how much awareness Cooper has of the actions his doppelgänger. He is never confronted with Mr. C's actions, and the two most egregious acts- the assaults on both Audrey and Diane- are threads that run throughout nearly the entire season. Instead, as seen with Diane, he seems rather oblivious to these actions or unable to reconcile what has been done and thus ignoring them.
Perhaps the double name serves as a connection between timelines and that the Mr. C/Richard Horne reality was not erased, or dreamt, but carries over- spiritually, psychically- into the 430 reality. I don't know.
It reminds me a bit of the eraserhead imagery where Henry imagines his sons head taking over his body, father and son are one in the same. He uses this to justify killing his child.PDCampbell wrote:I've been thinking on this too. Obviously it seems to be set up as a red herring with the "Richard and Linda" clue. But I don't think being used as misdirection is its only function.tresojos wrote:is there any link between richard horne (evil coopers seed) and coopers other self being richard? one that is partly bad coop and good coop.
I'm still curious how much awareness Cooper has of the actions his doppelgänger. He is never confronted with Mr. C's actions, and the two most egregious acts- the assaults on both Audrey and Diane- are threads that run throughout nearly the entire season. Instead, as seen with Diane, he seems rather oblivious to these actions or unable to reconcile what has been done and thus ignoring them.
Perhaps the double name serves as a connection between timelines and that the Mr. C/Richard Horne reality was not erased, or dreamt, but carries over- spiritually, psychically- into the 430 reality. I don't know.
Ohh, thank youMr. Reindeer wrote:Pretty sure it was "Kristi."asmahan wrote:Did anyone catch what was written on the Texas waitress' name tag? Looked like Xochitl or something beginning with an X.
He wasn't trying to go there. The Lodge redirected him. IMO he was trying to reach either the Lodge itself or Judy.chromereflectsimage wrote:Why did Mr C have to go through the white lodge to go to the Sherieffs station? Different realities?
+1 for Kristi; that popped out to me on "Re-Watch 1"Mr. Reindeer wrote:Pretty sure it was "Kristi."asmahan wrote:Did anyone catch what was written on the Texas waitress' name tag? Looked like Xochitl or something beginning with an X.