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Re: Twin Peaks: Season Three confirmed for 2016 on Showtime

Postby FauxOwl » Thu Oct 16, 2014 12:54 pm

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Ross wrote:I guess they can write-out Donna in the book... :)



No no no no NO NO NO!!!!!!

while I agree they can do that now I do NOT like this news at all. his sounds like a band aid, a quick fix to any actors they cant get to appear and to me it is extremely lazy to let us know the resolutions to the cliffhangers we saw on tv in novel form. he show should be the first time we see these people again. with Frank silva dead and Michael Anderson hedging his bets I get the feeling this book will just be an excuse to write out people and to create new characters they will use on the show.

For all we know the Cooper cliffhanger will be resolved in the novel and the show that airs may be nothing like what we were left with as a cliffhanger on the series. his is actually infuriating to me. I have always seen novels to mythology shows like X-Files and star wars to be a cheap way to fan service people without having to put the work in.

what happens if the Lodge mystery gets wrapped up in the book, Cooper is rescued and when the showtime series airs it involves an all new Lodge. what if we never get to SEE the resolution we waited 25 years for. I want to know if Ben lived, if Audrey lived. If Leo ever made it out. But I want to know these things on the show as it progresses, not in some cheap novel.

Im sorry if I sound like a dick or a downer, but I am NO impressed by this news at all. It is lazy and not what we deserve.


I seriously doubt any major story threads like Coop in the lodge will be resolved in the novel. I also doubt there will be any compulsory exposition in the novel as Lynch, Frost and Showtime will be well aware that the majority of viewers of the third season will have seen the series and film but NOT read the book. I would be surprised if the purpose of this novel was to do anything other than augment what we see in the new season, and fill in details on narrative threads they won't have time for. Your reaction is understandable if all the things you are concerned about may happen but I'd put the odds on any of these worries coming to fruition at nil.
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Re: Twin Peaks novel by Mark Frost - late 2015

Postby LostInTheMovies » Thu Oct 16, 2014 1:09 pm

Jasper wrote:I very much welcome this news.

I don't know what the book will or will not include/resolve. I don't think we should jump to conclusions.

The fact is, regardless of how we feel about Twin Peaks in written form, 25 years HAVE PASSED, and we will never see those actors at their various ages over that time performing those roles on the screen (especially those actors we've lost). Those 25 years exist, in that universe. As mentioned in another thread, it could be very freeing for Mark and David to be able to pursue their real inspirations for the Showtime incarnation without being hamstrung by needing to use a big chunk of those nine hours on exposition covering the last 25 years. This could let them dig deeper and go further.

Instead of hearing about what happened to Major Briggs in exposition, Major Briggs can speak again. I know I'll hear Don S. Davis' voice in my head.

If Pete Martell survives the bank explosion in the post-second-season universe, he can speak again. I know I'll hear Jack Nance's voice in my head.

The book could also bring to life the Elderly Room Service Waiter (Senior Droolcup), and Mrs. Tremond/Chalfont. If there is absolutely no way to coax Al Strobel out of retirement (though I hope there is a way) the book could help deal with Gerard/MIKE. I suppose there's also the possibility of Michael J. Anderson playing the complete MIKE, as he basically does in the above-the-convenience-store scenes, but right now we don't even know if MJA will return (though I pray he will).

Perhaps this book will even help explain Silva's absence, or BOB's change of appearance, if the new season doesn't use a lookalike, archival footage, cgi.


Great points (especially about the deceased actors). Most of all I think this liberates the series to be whatever it wants to be, without any obligations toward fanservice, nostalgia, or resolving every single cliffhanger/storyline. Those things work much better in prose than visuals anyway. It's great news in and of itself, but it's also great news for the series.

The more I hear about Twin Peaks 2015-16, the more excited I get. Well, except for the Anderson thing - we definitely need to see the Little Man onscreen. Including him in the book won't provide much closure (sadly, I think this is true of Bob as well).

I doubt much Lodge stuff will be resolved in the book. For one thing, I think the actual operations of the Lodge (as opposed to the outside human-world mythology of it) has always been Lynch's gig - even when Frost tried to get in on it, Lynch basically took it back in the finale. Furthermore, even the most evocative author wouldn't really be able to reproduce on page what Lynch does onscreen.

From the sound of it, and from what would make sense, I'll bet this will deal mostly with the townspeople. I can't wait!
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Re: Twin Peaks: Season Three confirmed for 2016 on Showtime

Postby james » Thu Oct 16, 2014 1:20 pm

Im sorry if I sound like a dick or a downer, but I am NO impressed by this news at all. It is lazy and not what we deserve.[/quote]

I seriously doubt any major story threads like Coop in the lodge will be resolved in the novel. I also doubt there will be any compulsory exposition in the novel as Lynch, Frost and Showtime will be well aware that the majority of viewers of the third season will have seen the series and film but NOT read the book. I would be surprised if the purpose of this novel was to do anything other than augment what we see in the new season, and fill in details on narrative threads they won't have time for. Your reaction is understandable if all the things you are concerned about may happen but I'd put the odds on any of these worries coming to fruition at nil.[/quote]

About sounding like a dick, well you just sound like your imagining the book will be crap before reading it and giving it a good chance.

The purpose of the book is merely to augment or fill in details? That's sort of like the worst sales brief on this novel possible right? It's gonna be a helluva lot better than that! Please, reign in your enthusiasm!
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Re: Twin Peaks: Season Three confirmed for 2016 on Showtime

Postby JumpWithSigma&Phi » Thu Oct 16, 2014 1:27 pm

kingsoprano718 wrote:
Ross wrote:I guess they can write-out Donna in the book... :)



No no no no NO NO NO!!!!!!

while I agree they can do that now I do NOT like this news at all. his sounds like a band aid, a quick fix to any actors they cant get to appear and to me it is extremely lazy to let us know the resolutions to the cliffhangers we saw on tv in novel form. he show should be the first time we see these people again. with Frank silva dead and Michael Anderson hedging his bets I get the feeling this book will just be an excuse to write out people and to create new characters they will use on the show.

For all we know the Cooper cliffhanger will be resolved in the novel and the show that airs may be nothing like what we were left with as a cliffhanger on the series. his is actually infuriating to me. I have always seen novels to mythology shows like X-Files and star wars to be a cheap way to fan service people without having to put the work in.

what happens if the Lodge mystery gets wrapped up in the book, Cooper is rescued and when the showtime series airs it involves an all new Lodge. what if we never get to SEE the resolution we waited 25 years for. I want to know if Ben lived, if Audrey lived. If Leo ever made it out. But I want to know these things on the show as it progresses, not in some cheap novel.

Im sorry if I sound like a dick or a downer, but I am NO impressed by this news at all. It is lazy and not what we deserve.


It's Mark Frost, it will be a great read. And you can't be sure they are going to resolve Cooper being trapped in the Lodge in that book. And even so, I'm perfectly fine with that. Maybe they'll use flashback of the rescue in the new show (after all, since Lost, flashback seems to be in fashion in today TV)

Plus it will be a pretty good way to wait until the show air. All in all I have faith in Frost and Lynch. I'm so happy right now, my love for Twin Peaks is back with more force that ever (not that I ceased to love it buy you catch my drift) It seems Christmas is way early this year!
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Re: 'The Secret Lives of Twin Peaks' new novel by M. Frost 2

Postby musicaddict » Thu Oct 16, 2014 1:32 pm

I reckon this book won't be written as a novel but will be more like profiles of the townspeople of Twin Peaks. I don't see this being written as a novel working.
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Re: 'The Secret Lives of Twin Peaks' new novel by M. Frost 2

Postby Navona » Thu Oct 16, 2014 1:33 pm

If the LIST OF SEVEN and THE 6 MESSIAHS are any gage of how good a novelist Mark Frost is, I think we are in for a treat. As such, I do not expect a cheap knock-off or something written as a merchandising tie-in by a ghost writer. Frost is a damn good writer and I for one cannot wait.
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Re: Twin Peaks: Season Three confirmed for 2016 on Showtime

Postby FauxOwl » Thu Oct 16, 2014 1:37 pm

james wrote:The purpose of the book is merely to augment or fill in details? That's sort of like the worst sales brief on this novel possible right? It's gonna be a helluva lot better than that! Please, reign in your enthusiasm!


Well, sure, if I my intent was to hawk the book I could have come up with something better, granted. Let's just say I won't be offended if they don't quote me on the back cover. But strip it down, and yeah, that's all I expect the novel to be (which can still be very good if it is well written as I expect something written by Frost will be). It just doesn't make sense if it contains any mandatory exposition that viewers will need before starting the new season.
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Re: 'The Secret Lives of Twin Peaks' new novel by M. Frost 2

Postby bosguy1981 » Thu Oct 16, 2014 2:08 pm

This is all so exciting. With the Twin Peaks archive music and the Bluray with the FWWM deleted scenes and this novel and the Showtime series -- being a Twin Peaks fan nowadays rivals what it was like in the early 1990s. Thank you, Mark and David!

So what are your thoughts on the piece about how the novel will focus on the central mystery that was only touched upon in the series? I'm thinking this is a reference to the evil in the woods of Twin Peaks, "a darkness, a presence..." The owls, glastonbury grove, the fire that killed the Log Lady's husband...
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Re: 'The Secret Lives of Twin Peaks' new novel by M. Frost 2

Postby mlsstwrt » Thu Oct 16, 2014 2:28 pm

FauxOwl wrote:
kingsoprano718 wrote:
Ross wrote:I guess they can write-out Donna in the book... :)



No no no no NO NO NO!!!!!!

while I agree they can do that now I do NOT like this news at all. his sounds like a band aid, a quick fix to any actors they cant get to appear and to me it is extremely lazy to let us know the resolutions to the cliffhangers we saw on tv in novel form. he show should be the first time we see these people again. with Frank silva dead and Michael Anderson hedging his bets I get the feeling this book will just be an excuse to write out people and to create new characters they will use on the show.

For all we know the Cooper cliffhanger will be resolved in the novel and the show that airs may be nothing like what we were left with as a cliffhanger on the series. his is actually infuriating to me. I have always seen novels to mythology shows like X-Files and star wars to be a cheap way to fan service people without having to put the work in.

what happens if the Lodge mystery gets wrapped up in the book, Cooper is rescued and when the showtime series airs it involves an all new Lodge. what if we never get to SEE the resolution we waited 25 years for. I want to know if Ben lived, if Audrey lived. If Leo ever made it out. But I want to know these things on the show as it progresses, not in some cheap novel.

Im sorry if I sound like a dick or a downer, but I am NO impressed by this news at all. It is lazy and not what we deserve.


I seriously doubt any major story threads like Coop in the lodge will be resolved in the novel. I also doubt there will be any compulsory exposition in the novel as Lynch, Frost and Showtime will be well aware that the majority of viewers of the third season will have seen the series and film but NOT read the book. I would be surprised if the purpose of this novel was to do anything other than augment what we see in the new season, and fill in details on narrative threads they won't have time for. Your reaction is understandable if all the things you are concerned about may happen but I'd put the odds on any of these worries coming to fruition at nil.


This x 100. Lynch and Frost may place a lot of faith in viewers but it would be surprising if it went as far as expecting them to have done mandatory reading before watching the new series. We'll all be reading it of course but I doubt that the vast majority of the fans are as hardcore as the DUGPA crowd.
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Re: 'The Secret Lives of Twin Peaks' new novel by M. Frost 2

Postby LostInTheMovies » Thu Oct 16, 2014 4:48 pm

Perhaps the book's role will be less narrative exposition than emotional closure; that way it's neither an awkwardly necessary addendum nor simply an ephemeral spin-off.

Basically, I hope the new series is like Fire Walk With Me: a self-contained story that addresses some loose ends but is mostly concerned with its own themes and characters, and that Frost's book is like The Missing Pieces - an opportunity to catch up with old friends and explore a world at a more leisurely pace. Imagine if those two works had been released side-by-side in '92; it may have mitigated some of the resentment about FWWM's incongruity with the series while freeing viewers up to appreciate what the film was doing on its own terms.

I too want to know what happened to Twin Peaks since the finale but I also don't want that to be the main concern of Twin Peaks 2016. Other than the question of good/evil Coop, building off the Lodge mythology, and making room for the lingering presence of the Palmers, I am hoping the new series deals mostly with new matters.
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Re: 'The Secret Lives of Twin Peaks' new novel by M. Frost 2

Postby sparco1979 » Thu Oct 16, 2014 5:08 pm

Like The Coop & Laura books - some backstory - more mystery - I'm up for anything coming out - it's all good (and Us diehards love everything Twin Peaks)
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Re: 'The Secret Lives of Twin Peaks' new novel by M. Frost 2

Postby LostInTheMovies » Thu Oct 16, 2014 5:49 pm

sparco1979 wrote:Like The Coop & Laura books - some backstory - more mystery - I'm up for anything coming out - it's all good (and Us diehards love everything Twin Peaks)


Yeah, Twin Peaks books are generally a cut above the rest. The Diary in particular is really a pretty astonishing piece of work. Like Fire Walk With Me, it's been praised as a very accurate depiction of the psychological damage resulting from abuse.
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Re: 'The Secret Lives of Twin Peaks' new novel by M. Frost 2

Postby 4815162342 » Fri Oct 17, 2014 9:13 am

As a non-fan of the diary (diary-BOB is way too talkative) and other such pseudo-apochrypha, I'm not excited for a book I know they largely will ignore in the new series (because it has to appeal to as wide an audience as possible). But, I'll read it anyway.
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Re: 'The Secret Lives of Twin Peaks' new novel by M. Frost 2

Postby LostInTheMovies » Fri Oct 17, 2014 10:54 am

4815162342 wrote:As a non-fan of the diary (diary-BOB is way too talkative)


I know what you mean in theory - onscreen Bob is usually scarier the less he talks - but it works for me as a literary device. Primarily because it feels like Bob talking through Laura; it's basically a way of letting Laura's dark side and/or self-loathing to manifest itself on the page and show just how deeply Bob has infiltrated her psyche.
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Re: 'The Secret Lives of Twin Peaks' new novel by M. Frost 2

Postby Gabriel » Sat Oct 18, 2014 6:54 am

I view the book as most likely an inessential add-on: a nice bit of fan service for those of us who care, giving some extra info, but nothing that will affect the narrative of the new shows.

While typing this, it occurred to me that maybe the book can resolve the Cooper cliffhanger (bear with me before anyone bites off my head!) What if Cooper escaped the Lodge in the interim years – perhaps thanks to Major Briggs, as was mooted for season three – leaves Twin Peaks for a normal(-ish) life but the events of the new series, 25 years later, mean Cooper has to go back to Twin Peaks and go back into the Lodge? It would explain why he's older in that scene but the LMFAP and Laura Palmer haven't aged.

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