Season 4? Or is it over after this? Wisteria/Unrecorded Night? Something else? (Speculation thread.)

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@Reindeer - Oh, yeah, that is correct. I did forget that, but my point still stands, that it was real and not CGI. As you say, very old school, which is exactly how I took it and why it never bothered me. That's the way I'd prefer it was worked, even if the effect is a bit jarring in a modern context.
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ringbearer wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:51 pm the 'bad/stylized vfx' work that really stood out for me during the returns run, was the little boys 'soul' ascending after the car accident
That's another of those oddly fascinating moments. What are we really seeing there, especially with all the debates around the onlookers' affected poses? Stanton doesn't believe in God, and Lynch makes him acknowledge some higher power in that scene. But then it's just this CGI flame. I noticed that it seems to be the same exact flame as the ones that gaudily contain the red room in the casino. When that same flame is revealed to be connected to the soul in the accident scene, it made me wonder if it's meant to signal that the earlier use of the flame is meant to signal that Cooper's soul is still contained in the red room/lodge.

I also wonder if Stanton's "God?" is tied to atomic power, and therefore that the soul-flame is also tied to nuclear energy. I say that because there's a movie from the 1940s/1950s--the name of which escapes me--in which a character reacts to the bomb by saying, "God?", almost exactly like Stanton does upon seeing the soul-flame.
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I also wonder if Stanton's "God?" is tied to atomic power, and therefore that the soul-flame is also tied to nuclear energy. I say that because there's a movie from the 1940s/1950s--the name of which escapes me--in which a character reacts to the bomb by saying, "God?", almost exactly like Stanton does upon seeing the soul-flame.
great connection! I had initially thought he was thinking of his lost time in the woods with the log lady in the secret history book
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budget wise Twin Peaks Return looks like Titanic compared to Inland Empire.

canthaveit on reddit initially said 25 episodes and then said 13 mini-movies.

200 shooting days also came from this reddit user, and they said they saw no washington locations,
so that implies that this person looked at some paperwork of locations and schedule, maybe in a Netflix office, I dunno.

you can see this fate colassal on their page trying to pump them for more intel and canthaveit replying not really an insider.
does refer to DL as David.

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Just in response to some comments on the previous page re: the red room. I agree that I don't think the red room was CGI in the Return. I also don't think the problem was due to a razor sharp image. I'm one of the people who didn't really like the look of the new red room. I think it's simply that the curtains are a different colour. They're very pinkish or somnething and that combined with lighting or whatever makes the red room in the Return looks almost like it's in a game. In the original, the curtains were very dark red and lit in a way that was much more subtle and less bright/glaring. It made it feel much more ominous and I thought would have been cheaper to recreate. I think the red room in the original looks infinitely better. I don't hate the new one, I just prefer the original, and it is jarring how different it looks.

In terms of overall budget and cgi, I liked the effects for the most part. They gave the show a unique look, like a living painting in parts, and even the sometimes shoddy looking effects gave it a sort of old school charm, though I don't think they were shoddy for the most part, most of them were quite good, if odd.
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the red room in olden times was also photographed on 35mm as opposed to Alexa... which may account for some of the red saturation.

i think his shirt also changed from a light blue to pure white.
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I think the change in shirt color was a deliberate wardrobe choice, not due to camera/lighting. His tie is also completely different between E29 and TR. I get the sense that Lynch generally feels Coop should always be in black suit-white shirt-black tie, but he was stuck with the blue shirt and striped tie in E29 for continuity reasons following directly on from E28.

I do miss the way Lynch would let some light play through the red curtains on the original series, giving the sense of something happening beyond that we couldn’t quite see (like that bird thing).
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You can note the difference in curtain colours quite clearly in the flashbacks in S3E2. Also how the original run and FWWM had a more saturated kind of colour tone whereas The Return was fairly clean.

Would be interesting to hear from Peter Deming on how he approached shooting those scenes and if/how he considered matching the originals - or if DL didn't necessarily want to?
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Wondering if David Lynch is growing a beard for his role.
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ringbearer wrote:
"in relation to the red room, which was real, i think people were just thrown by the razor sharp image compared to the filmic look in FWWM and the original series"


That's true, but there's more to it. The room was treated very differently. The original room was lit in a very shadowy way, making it look mysterious and almost romantic (especially in Cooper's dream), and the 2017 version is jarringly bright, and looks more like a bizarre cartoon world. The curtains in the original were very translucent and backlit, and the curtains in 2017 are very solid. The overall color of the original series is much warmer and the curtains are more orange-ish. The first time we see the space, in Cooper's dream, the floor is kind of dirty and very warm-toned, so that the white part doesn't even really appear white, though it's much more clean and crisp in ep. 29. Obviously the floor is extremely sharp and crisp in the return, and as people have mentioned, that along with the overall look are reminiscent of some of Lynch's paintings, which don't tend towards subtlety.

FWWM has much colder colors, fitting the tone of the film, and the curtains end up taking on a bit of a magenta hue.

P.S. I recall some who were "severely disappointed" complaining bitterly about the "cgi" floor in the red room.
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i re-read that Mary Sweeney quote about how Lynch likes how wisteria grows in los angeles...

it strikes me as a possibility this is another hollywood centered california specific project like inland and mulholland
that just has some sort of meta blending with the twin peaks verse..

maybe Monica Belluci will be in some flip-side showbiz world, and thats why twin peaks productions and twin peaks IP plays a role
and that just isn't Mark Frost's cup of tea...
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JackwithOneEye wrote:
"maybe Monica Belluci will be in some flip-side showbiz world, and thats why twin peaks productions and twin peaks IP plays a role
and that just isn't Mark Frost's cup of tea..."

Maybe. I'm skeptical that this is TP related, but if it was something like what you suggest, so far removed from Twin Peaks, it could explain why Frost wouldn't be involved, and I guess it could explain why Lynch became the sole something-or-other of Twin Peaks. After all, Frost walked away from FWWM when Lynch insisted it be primarily a sequel [EDIT: I MEANT PREQUEL], though his connection to the property wasn't severed at that time. (I honestly don't know what to make of any of those recent TP legal documents.)
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Mulholland and Inland were the two previous large projects DL did before the return, and they're both about filmmaking, acting, the world of illusions,
hollywood etc. and from what I've heard, Antelope dont run no more, would have continued along those lines.

The Monica Bellucci scene in Return rubs up against that material...

I can see Lynch wanting to use Twin Peaks as a layer in a meta dreamscape tapestry about filmmaking, and maybe Frost saying nah, I'm not interested in stuff like that, but go ahead if you want...
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Mulholland and Inland were the two previous large projects DL did before the return, and they're both about filmmaking, acting, the world of illusions,
hollywood etc. and from what I've heard, Antelope dont run no more, would have continued along those lines.

The Monica Bellucci scene in Return rubs up against that material...

I can see Lynch wanting to use Twin Peaks as a layer in a meta dreamscape tapestry about filmmaking, and maybe Frost saying nah, I'm not interested in stuff like that, but go ahead if you want...
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JackwithOneEye wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:17 pmJackwithOneEye writes:
I can see Lynch wanting to use Twin Peaks as a layer in a meta dreamscape tapestry about filmmaking, and maybe Frost saying nah, I'm not interested in stuff like that, but go ahead if you want...
I could definitely see Lynch going in this direction, but I honestly don't believe he would use Twin Peaks at all if this happens to be the case. Unconventional as he is, I think he nonetheless regards Twin Peaks as its own thing, with its own themes, own story arc, etc., as well as its own cult following, and I just cannot imagine that he would continue such a great ending to The Return with something about filmmaking, i.e. things so far removed from the world of Twin Peaks. To me, The Return was very much Twin Peaks, a logical continuation to the original series (thematically, but also stylistically), and if this turns out to be season 4 - which I still think it will - I think they will announce it as such, and it will continue where we would have expected - with Richard, Carrie Page, maybe Linda - but then lead us to something none of us could imagine.

Everything else you said about "meta dreamscape tapestry about filmmaking" may very well turn out to be true about this project - but if this turns out to be the case, I really don't think it will be in any way connected to Twin Peaks.
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