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Re: Season 4? Or is it over after this?

Postby Jonah » Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:20 am

BGate wrote:Going back to that Kyle interview, what would a hypothetical answer to that question look like in a world where there is indeed new TP in the works and Kyle knows about it? He's not going to confirm it, obviously, and a genuine No Comment is as good as a confirmation. So...he basically has to lie, and "unlikely" is sort of a weasel word where he can even tell himself he's not flat out lying.

Or it could be that nothing's happening and that's his honest answer.

I don't think it tells us much either way, is my point. And this is new territory for him and others since nobody had any expectations of new TP before October 2014 and thus there was no reason to ask Kyle et al direct questions about it.

He could just say "I would be open to doing more".
Will there be another season? is what he was asked. “I don’t think very likely, but never say never" was his answer. Why not just say "I hope so" or "we'll see" or "I don't know yet" or "I haven't heard any yet." He was also asked: Would he want to do one another? “Yes, immediately. I would" was his response, which is very positive. But why say "unlikely" unless he really does think it's unlikely?

I want there to be another season - and I think there will be one - but it does bother me that he said "unlikely".

bosguy1981 wrote:Remember Lynch exploding in the behind the scenes Season 3 footage: "I'm NOT WORKING this way again, EVER! THIS IS HORRIBLE!"

I think he meant it. I don't think Lynch would ever again spend years writing a script, only to then spend months (a couple years?) negotiating over money, money, money, then completely walk away from the project only to be lured back after Sabrina did the rest of the negotiating. And even then, he was still tied down to a tight production schedule that caused him grief, and caused him to specifically warn Sabrina and others that he'll never do it again. I don't think he said that because he DIDN'T mean it.

So really, I think coming back would require Showtime's people to go to Lynch and say "If we give you X amount of money and X weeks of filming, would you work with us again?" I doubt it's EVER done this way, (essentially a blank check for David Lynch to do... Something about Twin Peaks) and THAT is why it's highly unlikely more Twin Peaks will happen.


I didn't see that clip myself (is it available online? I have the blu-ray but so far haven't gotten around to wading through all that footage as there seems to be hours of it - i'd like to watch highlights from it/the best bits only), but I'm worried this may be the case here.

Look at Wes Craven - he put up with tons of shit from the Weinsteins, on Scream 3, then on Cursed, and even on his last film, Scream 4. Tons of meddling, production nightmares, unfinished scripts, tight schedules. Cursed was the worst example. But they put him through a lot even on the final Scream film he got around to directing. He was a similar age to Lynch - but I think more willing to put up with stuff like that, though he did say he wouldn't work on another Scream unless there was a completed script. Sadly, he never got to do more movies.

I can see Lynch not wanting to deal with anything like this either. Now, it doesn't sound like Showtime were nearly as bad as the Weinsteins, but in the past Lynch did put up with a lot from others such as ABC (on the original TP, then on Mulholland Drive). I don't think he ever dealt with the same amount of crap or production meddling as Wes Craven (correct me if I'm wrong?), and I think at times he was given a lot of free reign, but Lynch does strike me as quite temperamental and very true to his artistic vision, so I imagine he would find even minor tampering/restrictions pretty bad. I mean, the guy didn't make a movie for over 10 years after "Inland Empire". It couldn't have all been down to not getting money to fund one. I imagine a lot of it was not getting enough money or enough freedom to make what he wanted to make.

So Lynch being reluctant to deal with budget/production restrictions again could be what makes more TP unlikely as opposed to Showtime not wanting it, or Lynch/Frost struggling to come up with story ideas. If there's any reason we might not see more TP, it could be Lynch just not wanting the hassle of dealing with Showtime or other restrictions.

It's why I've always said I'd love to see Lynch do another TP movie, then launch more seasons of TP with Showtime and Frost, but not necessarily have to write/direct every single one. I know people here don't like that idea, but I'd love to see more TP from Lynch, just I'd like him to be able to dip in to that world whenever he wanted to guest direct/write an episode, rather than the pressure of having to film, write and practically edit every single thing himself. But I think it's unlikely Lynch/Frost ever put TP into other hands again, though I think it would be a smart move - if they had a small group of directors and writers they trusted, and full script/production approval. That way the show could continue on with their guidance, they could write/direct whenever they wanted, Lynch could make another TP movie. Best of all worlds. I just don't see it happening and I think also the fact that Lynch directed every second of The Return himself has made the fandom expect every future frame of TP be directed by Lynch or they'll automatically consider it not up to par. And Lynch/Frost might suspect this too.
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Re: Season 4? Or is it over after this?

Postby bosguy1981 » Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:08 am

Jonah wrote:
I didn't see that clip myself (is it available online? I have the blu-ray but so far haven't gotten around to wading through all that footage as there seems to be hours of it - i'd like to watch highlights from it/the best bits only), but I'm worried this may be the case here.



This one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9LvqESsRlM
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Re: Season 4? Or is it over after this?

Postby Jonah » Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:10 am

bosguy1981 wrote:
Jonah wrote:
I didn't see that clip myself (is it available online? I have the blu-ray but so far haven't gotten around to wading through all that footage as there seems to be hours of it - i'd like to watch highlights from it/the best bits only), but I'm worried this may be the case here.



This one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9LvqESsRlM

Thanks!
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Re: Season 4? Or is it over after this?

Postby Mr. Reindeer » Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:20 am

He was blowing off steam. How many times a week do you or a coworker or a friend get frustrated at work and say something along the lines of, “I’m quitting if this keeps up”? Back on Lost Highway he was yelling at Deepak Nayar because there were so many people on set, and saying how they did Eraserhead with five people and how much better it was working that way. Sure, he’d work differently in a perfect world, but he understands the realities. A random tirade during a moment of stress isn’t generally something to read too much into. Lynch says in Room to Dream that the final agreed-upon budget was exactly what he and Sabrina asked for: https://www.vulture.com/2018/06/david-l ... wtime.html
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Re: Season 4? Or is it over after this?

Postby Jonah » Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:24 am

I agree he was only blowing off steam and I don't think his moments of anger that people talk about in these videos are that big of a deal. They seem pretty mild to me by comparison to people I've encountered at work in real life. But I do think Lynch is reluctant to work under limitations. As I said, there has to be some reason he stayed away for so long after Inland Empire. Yeah, some of it could be down to not getting funding. Some of it down to struggling to come up with a good concept, etc. But I think a lot of the time he likes to just stay in his own house, work on his art, and not have to deal with people (and who can blame him?), let alone a load of restrictions from a studio or network, especially the older he gets. So that's the only reason I'd be concerned about regarding the future of TP. I think Showtime probably wants more. (But then again, who knows for sure?)
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Re: Season 4? Or is it over after this?

Postby bob_wooler » Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:19 am

A small recap: On June 21, 2018, Kristine McKenna (co-author of Room To Dream) interviewed Lynch and asked him
Where is Carrie Page right now? David Lynch: No idea. KM: Is she waiting for you to get back to her? DL: I say, it’s calling… but the signal has a lot of disturbances.

Now, what did he mean about "the signal has a lot of disturbances"? The way I see it, it may be one of three things;
1. he's waiting for the right idea to bring the story further, but he's struggling to "catch the big fish"
2. he and Mark are not getting along over the future of Twin Peaks
3. the negotiations with Showtime are not going on very well

Personally I vote for (and hope for) #3. This means the negotiations may have been going on for quite a while, and by now they have overcome their differences and are laying down the final touch, and someone has been whispering (hence the HHM-tweet).
Nevertheless, the choice of the word "disturbances" must've meant something, eh?
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Re: Season 4? Or is it over after this?

Postby Mr. Reindeer » Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:26 am

bob_wooler wrote:A small recap: On June 21, 2018, Kristine McKenna (co-author of Room To Dream) interviewed Lynch and asked him
Where is Carrie Page right now? David Lynch: No idea. KM: Is she waiting for you to get back to her? DL: I say, it’s calling… but the signal has a lot of disturbances.

Now, what did he mean about "the signal has a lot of disturbances"? The way I see it, it may be one of three things;
1. he's waiting for the right idea to bring the story further, but he's struggling to "catch the big fish"
2. he and Mark are not getting along over the future of Twin Peaks
3. the negotiations with Showtime are not going on very well

Personally I vote for (and hope for) #3. This means the negotiations may have been going on for quite a while, and by now they have overcome their differences and are laying down the final touch, and someone has been whispering (hence the HHM-tweet).
Nevertheless, the choice of the word "disturbances" must've meant something, eh?


It’s definitely #1. Tuning a radio is another metaphor he uses for his idea-catching process. “Disturbances” as in interference with a transmission. The ideas coming through aren’t clearly defined.

This is still the quote that gives me the most hope for more eventually. If Lynch felt the story was definitively complete, he simply would have said TP is dead (as he has in the past before TR).
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Re: Season 4? Or is it over after this?

Postby bob_wooler » Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:09 am

Mr. Reindeer wrote:It’s definitely #1. Tuning a radio is another metaphor he uses for his idea-catching process. “Disturbances” as in interference with a transmission. The ideas coming through aren’t clearly defined.

This is still the quote that gives me the most hope for more eventually. If Lynch felt the story was definitively complete, he simply would have said TP is dead (as he has in the past before TR).


If it's #1 then we definitely won't get anything new Twin Peaks any time soon, at least not before 2021. But yeah, it also means he's open for and wishing for more, and that the s3 experience didn't scare him off.
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Re: Season 4? Or is it over after this?

Postby boske » Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:01 pm

It is about ideas. If they have a story for S4, they will go for it and some studio will support it financially, no doubt. So what is it? I think DKL once mentioned, well before S3 showed up on radar, that he had again fallen in love with the town and its inhabitants. It was an emotional attachment to this imaginary world that was felt there again. Without it everything remained cold and distant. Money, age, whatever is not a factor here, it is the emotional attachment to that imaginary world. Should they connect to it again emotionally, something will come out. Short of that, it is all over. The fact that Kyle and other folks would like to do more is awesome, but there has to be an idea or two to get the ball rolling, so to speak, and the "disturbance" has to refer to that part of it.
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Re: Season 4? Or is it over after this?

Postby Rhodes » Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:34 pm

bob_wooler wrote:Personally I vote for (and hope for) #3.


Isn't option 2 much more preferable? If Showtime is not willing to hand him the money (or the creative control), it is quite hopeless.
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Re: Season 4? Or is it over after this?

Postby bob_wooler » Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:52 pm

Rhodes wrote:
bob_wooler wrote:Personally I vote for (and hope for) #3.


Isn't option 2 much more preferable? If Showtime is not willing to hand him the money (or the creative control), it is quite hopeless.

This quote is 14 months old. If that was the situation back then, a lot (positive) could've happened after (as I explained in the same post!). Besides, at least it would've meant there were negotiations going on, which would've been a lot better than nothing.
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Re: Season 4? Or is it over after this?

Postby Rhodes » Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:05 pm

A lot can have happened within 14 months.... that logic applies to all three options.
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Re: Season 4? Or is it over after this?

Postby Jonah » Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:35 pm

What is the most recent quote from Lynch? Wasn't there one that said "there is an ending"? And also one where he said "I can't talk about it now" (that might be older though)? Anything else, anything recent regarding S4?
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Re: Season 4? Or is it over after this?

Postby Rhodes » Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:44 pm

By the way, watching The Return is even more wonderful when you no longer feel the pressure of longing for Real Cooper to return/awaken. When you know that the show is about Dougie for most of it and accept the show for what it is, you are in awe for its clever design and the overall approach and ideas. Moreover, there are so, so, so many wonderful scenes in S3. It is incredible.

I have some criticism, but the Return is really 9.5/10 for me. That's why supervising a small set of trusted directors directing S4 feels like such a horror scenario for me. Fortunately, I am convinced this will not happen.
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Re: Season 4? Or is it over after this?

Postby Jonah » Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:47 pm

I still prefer the original series personally, but I agree that The Return is much better on rewatch, having just rewatched it recently. Now that expectations and longing for it to recreate/continue on from all aspects of the old series are out of the way, it's much easier to enjoy it for what it is. Also, binging it rather than waiting week to week is much better, and you can just ignore the stuff you don't like and focus on what you do. So would recommend anyone who didn't like it or didn't think much of it to try rewatching it. I still have some gripes, but overall I liked it a lot more and was glad I rewatched it.

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