Part 5 - Case files (SPOILERS)

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Re: Part 5 (SPOILERS)

Postby kafa81 » Mon Jun 05, 2017 3:25 pm

Panapaok wrote:Sooo, prediction time. How many more parts before Cooper rediscovers he true self. My bet is halfway through, around part 8.



I'd be really happy if it happens at episode 8 .... but knowing what I know from this Twin Peaks incarnation that Frost&Lynch have given us I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't see the good Dale Cooper that most of us want to see until the second to last episode or even the final 2 part episode... I mean we watched Jacoby spray paint shovels for 5 minutes, watched DougieCoop wait with the limo driver in front of his house for about a minute just staring etc.... They might go overboard with it, like they have with most of the stuff so far....so it wouldn't shock me if it happens very very late in the series, and honestly, that would really disappoint me :(
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Re: Part 5 (SPOILERS)

Postby Fire-blog-with-me » Mon Jun 05, 2017 3:27 pm

LostInTheMovies wrote:Just published my response to part 5: http://www.lostinthemovies.com/2017/06/ ... files.html


Hey Joel, I posted this as a comment originally on the actual blog post but it was marked as spam/not showing up so I'm posting my original response here:


Re: neighborly kindness of those around Dougie/Mr. Jackpots. it's fun to note that the positive energies of Cooper are still present even within the incomplete vessel/fragmented Coop. Dougie/Jackpots brings good fortune and happiness to those around him too, bettering their lives much the same way that cooper did before (see any moment of the original 2 seasons, and even in FWWM when he provides Laura a companion and a comfort). Examples within The Return: giving that poor old woman at the Casino a chance to win jackpots, giving Sonny Jim reasons to laugh/smile (and to be fair, this is symbiotic because Sonny Jim also gives Coop reasons to smile/shows his "father" kindness), and even in this episode, when Dougie takes Frank's coffee for himself, Frank is forced to try Green Tea Latte. And to frank's surprise, he really loves it! As much as Coop loves black coffee. I absolutely adore do when Coop and Frank are both euphorically consuming their drinks together. It's just such a moment of pure joy because they both look so happy with what they have. If it were not for Cooper taking his coffee, Frank would never have known that Green Tea Lattes were his thing.

On the rest of the episode, well it really was distinct from Parts 1-4, wasn't it? This episode just had its own identity, with increased music and warmth and color and emotion. I loved Parts 1-4 but it was clearly more of a cerebral affair. In fact when I first watched Parts 1-4, I had a feeling that was essentially to the Return what the Deer Meadow prologue was to FWWM: a distinct first act, thematically and narratively connected to the subsequent acts but with its own identity (aesthetic, style, tone). And Part 5 seems to verify this to me, with this episode beginning a transition from that first act/prologue into the more balanced visceral+cerebral opus I expect the return to be in the end.

It's amazing to watch these Parts and be able to see where Frost + Lynch were equal, and where the two diverge. Not to make it sound like they were not united on this Return, but what I mean is that it's interesting to see things that feel more Frostian or more Lynchian and then stuff that is more shared between them. Whether that's conceptually or textually, doesn't matter. For example, I love Wally Brando Brennan so much (hope we see more of him), but from the first time I watched his scene I just knew that he was a predominantly Frostian character: his voice, his concept, all 80% at least Frostian. The way the scene played out tho felt Lynchian and reminds me of On The Air too.

The Golden Shovel scene was pretty fun, also kinda felt like a modern invitation to love, especially since Nadine is a loyal viewer of his broadcasts lol. And it makes sense, in this age it is not a daily soap opera that we tune into as a collective but numerous streaming digital channels, YouTube Netflix Hulu on demand etc.

Frank Truman really interests me because he is obviously a Truman like his brother, sharing similar traits of patience and kindness and silent sturdiness. However, he is not just a simple proxy, but a unique individual. He's an older brother and as such he has those older brother qualities: he is a harder man than Harry, colder and tougher enough compared to the gentle sensitivity of Harry, as well as more pragmatic possibly and more willing to upgrade definitely (the updated tech and resources of the sheriff department including an expanded roster of deputies and other staff) but while these differences can be better in some situations there are of course demerits to it also (notably, the increased sheriff department and increased professional/superior-subordinate distance creates space for corruption to enter--see deputy Chad for a prime example of this, who evokes shades of Deer Meadow--whereas Harry's more intimate and close operation ensured that only good men and women were the law of the land) . Also, we get a lovely new dynamic we haven't seen on Twin Peaks before; whereas Harry was a bachelor in a turbulent love affair with the beautiful but dangerous Josie, Frank Truman is married with a family! He doesn't just have his sick brother to care for, but a frustrated wife, children and maybe grandchildren (need more info but it seemed like Frank is quite the patriarch), and even in-laws (his father-in-law at least)! This is fertile ground for character and story. Love it.

And lastly, man that scene with Becky in the car with the 50s pop song... damn amazing, like you said "rapturous". Wow.
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Re: Part 5 (SPOILERS)

Postby Jerry Horne » Mon Jun 05, 2017 3:29 pm

kkillevippen wrote:
KnewItsPa wrote:Also did anybody catch what was written on the Blackberry?


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Re: Part 5 (SPOILERS)

Postby riesje » Mon Jun 05, 2017 3:31 pm

kafa81 wrote:
Panapaok wrote:Sooo, prediction time. How many more parts before Cooper rediscovers he true self. My bet is halfway through, around part 8.



I'd be really happy if it happens at episode 8 .... but knowing what I know from this Twin Peaks incarnation that Frost&Lynch have given us I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't see the good Dale Cooper that most of us want to see until the second to last episode or even the final 2 part episode... I mean we watched Jacoby spray paint shovels for 5 minutes, watched DougieCoop wait with the limo driver in front of his house for about a minute just staring etc.... They might go overboard with it, like they have with most of the stuff so far....so it wouldn't shock me if it happens very very late in the series, and honestly, that would really disappoint me :(


I dont see it any different then oh lets say, the 5 minute warm milk scene in s2e01, or the bank scene in the last episode of s2. This is what Lynch has done, and will keep doing, and yeah I can see this totally go the way that dougiecoop will be there during the complete season.
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Re: Part 5 (SPOILERS)

Postby Mr. Reindeer » Mon Jun 05, 2017 3:32 pm

So how are peole interpreting the car bomb sequence? Going into Part 5, we weren't clear on whether the device Gene and Jake plant in Part 3 is a tracker or a bomb. My initial interpretation in Part 5 was that the woman who reports to Buenos Aires (I'll call her the dispatcher) was fed up with Gene and Jake's incompetence and sent in the heavy hitters (the dudes blaring loud music). But these guys then unwittingly trigger a bomb and kill themselves.

So I'm left with two options. 1) These guys work for someone entirely separate from Gene/Jake/the dispatcher/Jeffries and therefore didn't know about the car bomb, or 2) the device planted in Part 3 WAS a tracker and there was a car bomb planted elsewhere (the engine?) by some unidentified party.

How did other people interpret that? The sequence played a bit weird to me, although I loved the kid's involvement.
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Re: Part 5 (SPOILERS)

Postby kkillevippen » Mon Jun 05, 2017 3:36 pm

Jerry Horne wrote:Dice. Maybe a key chain or desk sculpture. We see something like it in the Casino office.


Aha, I see it kinda looks like a key ring now. Didn't notice it in the show. Thanks.

Jerry Horne wrote:253?


Maybe. I honestly have no idea what is going on with all those numbers anymore. :D

KnewItsPa wrote:Do Blackberrys have character limits and forced upper case for address names?


That, or the lady just writes down all her addresses fast and abbreviated like that. She's a worrier, after all. :D
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Re: Part 5 (SPOILERS)

Postby N. Needleman » Mon Jun 05, 2017 3:38 pm

I thought the guys in the black muscle car were random carjackers who found an empty auto and picked the wrong one.

The first set of dudes were the ones the Bad Dale hired to off Cooper - he wanted Cooper to replace Dougie instead of himself, and then wanted Cooper killed by the assassins. They failed, the car is (was) still there and they're still looking for their target as assigned by the doppelgänger.
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Re: Part 5 (SPOILERS)

Postby Panapaok » Mon Jun 05, 2017 3:44 pm

Yeah, they probably wanted to steal the car and they got killed in the process.
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Re: Part 5 (SPOILERS)

Postby Driftwood » Mon Jun 05, 2017 3:45 pm

yeah it was always a car bomb and those guys were just random thieves. why would the hitmen plant just a tracker when one of them was ready to use a rifle
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Re: Part 5 (SPOILERS)

Postby Cappy » Mon Jun 05, 2017 3:52 pm

I am fairly confident that they are random carjackers. Rancho Rosa seems like a run down, largely foreclosed community populated by junkie squatters.

I did read the guys that planted the bomb to be agents of Phillip Jeffries though. They were attempting to kill Coop/Dougie so that DoppelCoop gets pulled back into the Lodge.
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Re: Part 5 (SPOILERS)

Postby N. Needleman » Mon Jun 05, 2017 3:57 pm

I'm pretty sure the doppleganger hired those guys to kill Coop. The idea was - Dougie gets sucked back instead of the doppleganger, then the doppleganger has the original Coop killed.
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Re: Part 5 (SPOILERS)

Postby Cappy » Mon Jun 05, 2017 3:58 pm

dkenny78 wrote:
I think the room already has significance given that it was the location for so many of Cooper's otherworldly encounters (the dream, the Giant's visit, Briggs delivering the message). It could be explained that the room acts as some sort of cosmic conduit, amplifying Cooper's inherent clairvoyance, and perhaps he left an imprint on it after he got stuck in the Lodge, and forces are now pulling him 'home.'

Related to that, it is interesting that, for Dougie Cooper, 'home' is very much implied to be Twin Peaks, even though Cooper only spent about 1 month there!


That's interesting to think that the room itself is somehow a paranormal conduit. I always thought that the hotel itself might have those properties, what with Josie's soul being trapped in the wood of the Great Northern. If Cooper's room itself takes on significance, then that brings up the vague New York customers that keep the Great Northern's Spa in business. Maybe that NYC billionaire that financed the glass box is also subsidizing the Great Northern due to some strange otherwordly qualities that it possesses.
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Re: Part 5 (SPOILERS)

Postby dreamshake » Mon Jun 05, 2017 4:00 pm

Jerry Horne wrote:Interesting that some folks find a Mad Men reference or nod. Makes me wonder if Jacoby's mask was a reference to Breaking Bad.


Maybe, I see it more as a True Detective nod tho
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Re: Part 5 (SPOILERS)

Postby Audrey Horne » Mon Jun 05, 2017 4:04 pm

Totally agree. The plan was to kill Cooper one way or another... Either through bomb or rifle. They just thought he never left the house. Black car were highjackers. Like Hank the handyman or The Congressman's Dilemma, I think we're just seeing there is corruption unrelated in every aspect of the world.
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Re: Part 5 (SPOILERS)

Postby ozziejohn » Mon Jun 05, 2017 4:32 pm

BTW here's the hip hop track used at the beginning of the episode:
https://soundcloud.com/jair-tesen/i-am- ... untedbeatz

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