Parts 3 & 4 - Call for help & ...brings back some memories (SPOILERS)

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Re: Parts 3 & 4 - Call for help & ...brings back some memories (SPOILERS)

Postby Mr. Reindeer » Fri May 15, 2020 11:20 am

dreamshake wrote:I always read the black substance in Dougie and Mr C vomit's as motor oil.


That’s great! I bet you’re right. Thanks for sharing.
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Re: Parts 3 & 4 - Call for help & ...brings back some memories (SPOILERS)

Postby Mr. Reindeer » Fri May 15, 2020 6:37 pm

Part 4 rewatch...

Kyle’s portrayal of DougieCoop reminds me of the direction Lynch gave Jack Nance to play Henry Spencer in Eraserhead: “Be a blank.” Also, Jacques in FWWM: “I am as blank as a fart.”

The Arthurian references are such a throwaway, Frostian aspect of the TP world. I think this is also the only “owl” reference in TR, IIRC (the fly-by, as well as the owl cookie jar in the Jones kitchen). A little strange that such a major aspect of the original series iconography got such short shrift.

I don’t think I ever made the association before between the bouquet on Denise’s chair and her catching the bouquet at Dougie Milford’s wedding all those years ago.

I’ve said this before, but so much of TR is about the idea of “home.” We spend most of our lives searching for a sense of belonging, with different aspects of our personality needing different things. For some part of Cooper, the idea of having a wife and child is home; for another part (represented by the doppel, who says he has never really left home), it’s an adventuresome spirit and exploration of the supernatural. His journey on the show is to some extent an attempt to reconcile these varying ideas of “home,” and I don’t think he ever ultimately does.

I love the little moment of Andy and Lucy holding hands as Bobby cries about Laura. It’s such a wonderful representation of how the tragedy still lives in the town and impacts the characters all these years later.

I’m not entirely clear on whether or not DoppelCoop intended to get arrested at this point. Obviously he wanted to get to Ray, and downloaded the prison schematics...but what a strange way to get arrested. It seems unnecessarily risky to be driving at 2:53 when he anticipated things going haywire. Why not just sit alone in a room at that moment, and then get himself arrested some other safer way later?

Lynch is really good in that scene with Albert at the end (they both are, but for Ferrer, it goes without saying). I’m gonna use this opportunity to point out that Lynch has revived his weather reports as a coronavirus public service, and has taken to using that weird blue filter: https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCDLD_zxiuyh1IMasq9nbjrA

DougieCoop’s Diet
— After 25 years of presumably not eating, he hungrily eyes Bill Shaker’s hot dog (with mustard and ketchup) at the Silver Mustang Casino, but Bill refuses to share
— Janey-E, upon his return home: “I’m gonna fix you a sandwich. And then, I’m gonna get you a piece of Sonny Jim’s chocolate cake, ‘cause we saved a piece for you.”
— Breakfast at the Joneses’s: Janey-E serves Dougie pancakes (with maple syrup provided by Sonny Jim); he has orange juice (which we don’t see him drink), and Janey-E serves him his first cup of coffee (in his “I am DOUGIE’S COFFEE” mug)
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Re: Parts 3 & 4 - Call for help & ...brings back some memories (SPOILERS)

Postby AXX°N N. » Mon May 18, 2020 3:54 am

Mr. Reindeer wrote:I’m not entirely clear on whether or not DoppelCoop intended to get arrested at this point. Obviously he wanted to get to Ray, and downloaded the prison schematics...but what a strange way to get arrested. It seems unnecessarily risky to be driving at 2:53 when he anticipated things going haywire. Why not just sit alone in a room at that moment, and then get himself arrested some other safer way later?

I've struggled to reconcile how it is Cooper knows that the numbers the Fireman gives are supposed to correlate to miles in a car, and the only thing I could think is that when Cooper witnesses Mr. C on the highway, he extrapolates something about the urgency of his drive, or just the fact that this is one of the first things he sees after his instructions. Following that train of thought, is Mr. C trying to 'cross' in order to avoid the Red Room effects? Does he ever 'cross' as part of his plotting? There are skid marks going off-road in the P18 scene, perhaps implying a similar botched attempt to cross.
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Re: Parts 3 & 4 - Call for help & ...brings back some memories (SPOILERS)

Postby LateReg » Mon May 18, 2020 9:19 am

AXX°N N. wrote:
Mr. Reindeer wrote:I’m not entirely clear on whether or not DoppelCoop intended to get arrested at this point. Obviously he wanted to get to Ray, and downloaded the prison schematics...but what a strange way to get arrested. It seems unnecessarily risky to be driving at 2:53 when he anticipated things going haywire. Why not just sit alone in a room at that moment, and then get himself arrested some other safer way later?

I've struggled to reconcile how it is Cooper knows that the numbers the Fireman gives are supposed to correlate to miles in a car, and the only thing I could think is that when Cooper witnesses Mr. C on the highway, he extrapolates something about the urgency of his drive, or just the fact that this is one of the first things he sees after his instructions. Following that train of thought, is Mr. C trying to 'cross' in order to avoid the Red Room effects? Does he ever 'cross' as part of his plotting? There are skid marks going off-road in the P18 scene, perhaps implying a similar botched attempt to cross.


Perhaps if Cooper is doing this over and over again, with slight variations, what the giant tells him is simply shorthand, and Cooper already knows everything from previous conversations, but simply must remember.

On a separate, semi-related note, I once came across a compelling theory that encapsulates the notion that 430 doesn't necessarily, or always mean what we think it does in the end. The theory is that the many abandoned plot threads are all taking place in different attempts to correct this wrong. So, in one reality, 430 really does correspond to the time that Andy is supposed to meet that dude on the side of the road in Part 7, only we don't get to see how that ends. Although, now that I think about it, maybe the idea that Andy is standing in a specific spot on the road at 4:30 (and beyond) is a clue to Cooper if the whole thing is taking place, on some level, in his head.
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Re: Parts 3 & 4 - Call for help & ...brings back some memories (SPOILERS)

Postby Mr. Reindeer » Mon May 18, 2020 10:34 am

AXX°N N. wrote:
Mr. Reindeer wrote:I’m not entirely clear on whether or not DoppelCoop intended to get arrested at this point. Obviously he wanted to get to Ray, and downloaded the prison schematics...but what a strange way to get arrested. It seems unnecessarily risky to be driving at 2:53 when he anticipated things going haywire. Why not just sit alone in a room at that moment, and then get himself arrested some other safer way later?

I've struggled to reconcile how it is Cooper knows that the numbers the Fireman gives are supposed to correlate to miles in a car, and the only thing I could think is that when Cooper witnesses Mr. C on the highway, he extrapolates something about the urgency of his drive, or just the fact that this is one of the first things he sees after his instructions. Following that train of thought, is Mr. C trying to 'cross' in order to avoid the Red Room effects? Does he ever 'cross' as part of his plotting? There are skid marks going off-road in the P18 scene, perhaps implying a similar botched attempt to cross.


That’s interesting, I hadn’t noticed the skidmarks in P18. Will have to watch out for them and see if it looks like the same stretch of road. But I’d assumed the 430 miles began from Twin Peaks, and South Dakota is more than double that distance from, say, Spokane.
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Re: Parts 3 & 4 - Call for help & ...brings back some memories (SPOILERS)

Postby AXX°N N. » Mon May 18, 2020 12:14 pm

Mr. Reindeer wrote:
AXX°N N. wrote:
Mr. Reindeer wrote:I’m not entirely clear on whether or not DoppelCoop intended to get arrested at this point. Obviously he wanted to get to Ray, and downloaded the prison schematics...but what a strange way to get arrested. It seems unnecessarily risky to be driving at 2:53 when he anticipated things going haywire. Why not just sit alone in a room at that moment, and then get himself arrested some other safer way later?

I've struggled to reconcile how it is Cooper knows that the numbers the Fireman gives are supposed to correlate to miles in a car, and the only thing I could think is that when Cooper witnesses Mr. C on the highway, he extrapolates something about the urgency of his drive, or just the fact that this is one of the first things he sees after his instructions. Following that train of thought, is Mr. C trying to 'cross' in order to avoid the Red Room effects? Does he ever 'cross' as part of his plotting? There are skid marks going off-road in the P18 scene, perhaps implying a similar botched attempt to cross.


That’s interesting, I hadn’t noticed the skidmarks in P18. Will have to watch out for them and see if it looks like the same stretch of road. But I’d assumed the 430 miles began from Twin Peaks, and South Dakota is more than double that distance from, say, Spokane.

Yeah, I'm not sure they're the exact same stretch of road, because for instance I think we only ever see the massive electrical lines in P18. But the presence of the skidmarks there just too perfectly evokes P3 for me, and make me think at least a version of that scene occurred there. Perhaps Mr. C was racing to another similar crossing point.
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