Part 10 - Laura is the one (SPOILERS)

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Re: Part 10 - Laura is the one (SPOILERS)

Postby BigEd » Wed Aug 02, 2017 7:45 pm

cgs027 wrote:
BigEd wrote:
cgs027 wrote:
CONFIRMED (via crew). Prop error.

https://twitter.com/ThatsOurWaldo/statu ... 9776549888


I checked your link and just found a bunch of people asking what the source is. Sounds like more internet silliness to me. Do you have a more specific link to a source?


He posted the guy's name if you want to check with him... I have no reason not to believe this, this account is pretty solid.

https://twitter.com/jake_martinez/statu ... 7914707968


Fortunately, I'm blissfully ignorant of most things Twitter, so maybe I don't even know what I'm looking at. I just don't see much evidence.
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Re: Part 10 - Laura is the one (SPOILERS)

Postby wAtChLaR » Wed Aug 02, 2017 7:48 pm

BigEd wrote:
Fortunately, I'm blissfully ignorant of most things Twitter, so maybe I don't even know what I'm looking at. I just don't see much evidence.

ugh...twitter is a cesspool of trolls and white supremacist assholes speckled with jewels of creative discourse....stay away
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Re: Part 10 - Laura is the one (SPOILERS)

Postby Firewalkwithme91 » Fri Aug 04, 2017 6:20 pm

Something struck me as peeeeculiar about this episode. Near the end of the episode Ben gets a call from Sylvia and she tells him about Richard breaking in and stealing all her money. Now why would she call Ben to compensate for her loss? Could it be that Ben is actually the father of Richard and he had an affair with some woman when he was still in his sleazebag-phase? Did Ben brought this demon spawn into their family?
I mean I understand that Syvlia is probably still angry at Ben and bears a grudge towards him even after all these years but it seems weird to me that she would react that way after being brutally assaulted in her own house and feeling really empathetic towards Johnny´s suffering (whereas she didn´t seem to care a lot about him in the original show).

Also, in episode 12 when Frank breaks the news to Ben that Richard assaulted Miriam there´s no talk about Audrey at all and it looks like to me that Ben takes Richard lack of parenting very personally and feels some sort of guilt for his deeds.
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Re: Part 10 - Laura is the one (SPOILERS)

Postby Snailhead » Fri Aug 04, 2017 6:40 pm

Why would he call Sylvia grandma then?
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Re: Part 10 - Laura is the one (SPOILERS)

Postby Firewalkwithme91 » Fri Aug 04, 2017 7:29 pm

Snailhead wrote:Why would he call Sylvia grandma then?


Oh, I guess I forgot about this little detail. :mrgreen: It still strikes me as strange though that Syvlie wants Ben to compensate for Richard´s acts.
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Re: Part 10 - Laura is the one (SPOILERS)

Postby HagbardCeline » Fri Aug 04, 2017 8:51 pm

Firewalkwithme91 wrote:
Snailhead wrote:Why would he call Sylvia grandma then?


Oh, I guess I forgot about this little detail. :mrgreen: It still strikes me as strange though that Syvlie wants Ben to compensate for Richard´s acts.


After all the crap he's done, she probably feels that she is owed.
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Re: Part 10 - Laura is the one (SPOILERS)

Postby Mr. Reindeer » Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:02 am

Margaret's monologue really has an air of finality about it. Maybe that's a product of her own imminent mortality (and it works beautifully from that perspective), but it seems to refer to the mythology/world of TP overall. Interesting that S3 seems to end on an open-ended note, after this monologue sets us up for hard closure. The line about "That which is and is not" does seem to hint at alternate universes/timelines. Also, Margaret talks about the electricity that runs the universe going out, leaving only darkness. Is this what we see in the final seconds of Part 18? Does Carrie/Laura's scream/realization break the universe? Season 4: "What will be in the darkness that remains?"

Kyle has confirmed that Peter Sellers's performance in 'Being There' was a big influence on Dougie, and it shows in this Part in particular. His expression during Janey-E's seduction attempt is pure Chance the Gardener. Although the outcome (he actually enjoys the sex) is an inversion of the classic movie scene. BTW, for those who don't know, original series director Caleb Deschanel was DP on this fantastic little film.

Dougie's chocolate cake obsession (as opposed to the more expected cherry pie) is an odd little quirk. It reminds me of the stories that DKL would eat the same thing for lunch every day for months or even years, then switch to something else. Or maybe it's meant to be a reminder of how hard-up the Joneses are (they're not wasting a slice of that birthday cake!).

It looks like Sylvia is drinking the same shake/smoothie as Nadine. (It's on the table in front of Johnny.)

For those wondering what types of "unscripted" scripted scenes Lynch added sua sponte, a lot of the Candie material strikes me as Exhibit A.

Gordon says he sensed "it" when Diane hugged him. We now know that he sensed not that she was a traitor, but that she was a tulpa. I actually picked up on Gordon being awkward during the hug way back in Part 4 (and wondered if it had something to do with a healthy paranoia about sexual harassment suits, given what Denise says about his reputation). Lynch did some great acting work this season, and it's impressive that I picked up on his physicality in that scene right away.

I love the dark subtle joke that Richard's plan to gas Miriam failed because he kicked in the door pane earlier. Not the brightest bulb, that Richard.

While I mostly love S3, I've sympathized with the Profoundly Disappointed throughout the show's run. I'm delighted to have an answer to the question "What does a David Lynch sequel look like?" (answer: it's even more elliptical than I could possibly have imagined), but I think those who are frustrated/disenchanted by this thing are well within their critical rights. For instance: who in their right mind went into this season thinking, "What I really need from a third season of TP is a Vegas casino insurance claim war"? And yet...on some level, that plotline is similar to the Ghostwood scheming of the first season, and perhaps the closest thing in the new show to the original seasons' soapy roots.
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Re: Part 10 - Laura is the one (SPOILERS)

Postby Mr. Reindeer » Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:59 am

Scattered thoughts:

I’ve just about entirely convinced myself that the Rancho Rosa logo is the mouth of Johnny’s bear, with the lightbulb inside a circle and the material around the logo resembling the stuff in the bear’s mouth. (Btw, what a missed opportunity that Showtime isn’t marketing those, with personalized greetings.)

Note that DirtFish (the real world owner of the sheriff’s station) is now canon, as the logo can be seen on the building across the street as Chad tampers with the mail.

I love that only time we ever see Albert with his defenses down, happy and carefree, is from a distance with indecipherable audio.

The structure of this Part really struck me this time, particularly the sequencing of the first few scenes, going from violence against women and domestic abuse (Richard/Miriam and Steven/Becky) to comedic violence by a woman against a man (Candie/Rodney) to a female gaze scene that transitions into a comedic/sweet scene of marital sex...except that, if the gender roles were reversed, the Janey-E/Dougie scene would be really icky, and a strong case might be made for rape. It’s a beautifully subversive, darkly fun progression.
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Re: Part 10 - Laura is the one (SPOILERS)

Postby vicksvapor77 » Sun Sep 02, 2018 5:24 pm

Rewatching part of this one again. Timeline wise, does anyone think it's possible that after Becky shot up Gersten's door, she went back home and that's where Steven confronted her about it in a rage and being the asshole he is, turned all of her completely justified anger about his affair back onto her? So essentially the scene in this episode was presented out of order in the storyline. See the transcript below.

Steven: Fuck! I will throw all of this shit out the window. Quit fucking speaking to me, and what I do or don’t fucking do doesn’t concern you. (Referring here to cheating with Gersten during the afternoon instead of looking for work.)
Carl: It’s a fucking nightmare.
Steven: I don’t tell you shit like why the fuck you don’t ask for a raise. How much money do you make, anyways? You barely make minimum wage! We can’t even afford this shithole. And I don’t tell you to clean this fucking place up! Don’t you fucking move. (Using his guilt in cheating to deflect blame.)
Becky: Ah!
Steven. Don’t you fucking…
Becky: *whimpers*
Steven: Listen to me. Listen to me. Don’t you give me that fucking innocent look. I know exactly what you did. Exactly what you did. You fuck… Ah, shit…(Referring here to knowing Becky shot up Gersten's door.)

So potentially: Becky gets wind of the affair, steals Shelly's car and shoots up the door. Steven looks super pissed in the stairwell as Becky flees the scene. Cops are called, Becky returns back to the trailer. Steven returns home and almost beats her up, then leaves, never to return. Eventually, the cops come to arrest Becky but Bobby is also there and intervenes and takes her back to the diner, where they have the family meeting.

Then in part 15, when Steven and Gersten are arguing about "who did it," maybe he's simply referring to almost beating her up and cheating on her (and Becky and Steven's violent confrontation in the trailer would be their last scene, making his guilt more present, and be scripted to take place AFTER her overhears her shoot the door in my proposed timeline above) and Gersten is saying Becky did it, referring to shooting the door. And thus, Steven a nd Gersten's conversation has nothing to do with Steven killing Becky but is centered around his guilt and remorse about nearly hitting her, cheating on her and running from their marriage.

I think Lynch then may have chosen to make Becky's fate look more ominious in the editing room. Perhaps in the script, the scene in part 13 of Becky calling Shelly about Steven being missing for two days may have been immediately before or after Steven potentially killing himself in the forest. That may have also been why Mark was so adament in the Q&A that Steven didn't kill Becky, because that's not what was written or intended, despite how it appeared in the final edit.
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Re: Part 10 - Laura is the one (SPOILERS)

Postby Jasper » Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:34 pm

vicksvapor77 wrote:....


Hmmm. This makes sense to me, at least at first glance. The only thing I’m confused about is Gersten saying something like, “What the hell did she give to you?” That line, and Steven’s behavior, made me suspect that perhaps Becky had given Steven some bad shit, possibly as some kind of revenge. I don’t know if that reading would be accurate, but I nevertheless wonder how it might fit into the scenario you’ve outlined.
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Re: Part 10 - Laura is the one (SPOILERS)

Postby Mr. Reindeer » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:27 am

vicksvapor77 wrote:Rewatching part of this one again. Timeline wise, does anyone think it's possible that after Becky shot up Gersten's door, she went back home and that's where Steven confronted her about it in a rage and being the asshole he is, turned all of her completely justified anger about his affair back onto her? So essentially the scene in this episode was presented out of order in the storyline. ...


I definitely had the same thought, and I had my timeline arranged that way for awhile. Eventually, I realized that you could endlessly speculate as to the order of events on this series, and in the interest of having as objective a timeline as possible, I rearranged things to be as close to series order as was possible within the bounds of logic. But I do think that your order in many ways makes more lucid sense than the final edit, which presents their storyline as much more choppy and “slice of life”...which may be what DKL was going for if he did indeed reorder the scenes in the edit. In any event, Steven and Becky’s clothes definitely indicate that both the “coffee mug” scene and the car/gun sequence take place the same day. I also at one point was convinced that the window was unbroken in the Shelly sequence, placing the latter sequence earlier...but then I decided I was mistaken. I’m still not certain and now I want to look at it again!
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Re: Part 10 - Laura is the one (SPOILERS)

Postby vicksvapor77 » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:15 pm

Mr. Reindeer wrote:
vicksvapor77 wrote:Rewatching part of this one again. Timeline wise, does anyone think it's possible that after Becky shot up Gersten's door, she went back home and that's where Steven confronted her about it in a rage and being the asshole he is, turned all of her completely justified anger about his affair back onto her? So essentially the scene in this episode was presented out of order in the storyline. ...


I definitely had the same thought, and I had my timeline arranged that way for awhile. Eventually, I realized that you could endlessly speculate as to the order of events on this series, and in the interest of having as objective a timeline as possible, I rearranged things to be as close to series order as was possible within the bounds of logic. But I do think that your order in many ways makes more lucid sense than the final edit, which presents their storyline as much more choppy and “slice of life”...which may be what DKL was going for if he did indeed reorder the scenes in the edit. In any event, Steven and Becky’s clothes definitely indicate that both the “coffee mug” scene and the car/gun sequence take place the same day. I also at one point was convinced that the window was unbroken in the Shelly sequence, placing the latter sequence earlier...but then I decided I was mistaken. I’m still not certain and now I want to look at it again!


Yeah, I think Lynch wanted us to be jarred by the violent encounter of Becky and Steven in part 10 that seemingly had no context. I will also say, it came directly after Richard assaulting Miriam in the edit and right before Candie smacks Rodney with the remote, making this an interesting edit of two super violent scenes against women and then one comedic one where the woman "takes back" her power a bit. I'm sure that's what they were going for, regardless of where these scenes took place in the script.

I believe the window is broken in the Shelly and Becky scene but they definitely shot that scene AFTER Gersten and Steven argued in the trailer so I'm not sure if the broken window was intentional or just bad continuity?
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Re: Part 10 - Laura is the one (SPOILERS)

Postby vicksvapor77 » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:17 pm

Jasper wrote:
vicksvapor77 wrote:....


Hmmm. This makes sense to me, at least at first glance. The only thing I’m confused about is Gersten saying something like, “What the hell did she give to you?” That line, and Steven’s behavior, made me suspect that perhaps Becky had given Steven some bad shit, possibly as some kind of revenge. I don’t know if that reading would be accurate, but I nevertheless wonder how it might fit into the scenario you’ve outlined.


There are definitely some lines that don't fit but I figure that may also be just a vague attempt to blame her for Steven's drug use when it's obviously his fault.

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