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Re: No Ray Wise?

Postby Soolsma » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:18 pm

Hehe, yeah I guessed we noticed a long time ago we have similar trains of thought.

Not sure what you mean by reporting that leak to Sabrina? I once watched Room to Dream and thought it was quite obvious Lynch let them film and publish that. Do you mean that you reported it so she shouldn't be hunting for whoever let that bit of info out?
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Re: No Ray Wise?

Postby Mr. Reindeer » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:26 pm

Yeah, placing that sculpture there seemed like a very deliberate bit of trolling by Lynch, and I’m sure he approved the final cut before the film was released. He probably didn't intend for that shot to be freeze framed while the film was still in theaters, though.
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Re: No Ray Wise?

Postby Cappy » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:57 pm

The implication that Sarah has a crystal ball (her television) that lets her see events outside of her home, yet is unable or unwilling to see events in her own home, is really interesting.
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Re: No Ray Wise?

Postby kitty666cats » Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:20 pm

I wasn't talking crap on/diminishing the greatness of the Bellucci scene. I just literally heard numerous times over the years that filming any of S3 in France would be beneficial RE: tax purposes.

I actually think that is probably the absolute best possible scene that they could have picked to be filmed in Paris, haha. It's so wonderfully chilling! :)
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Re: No Ray Wise?

Postby Audrey Horne » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:48 pm

Ha, I just remembered I forgot how much Lynch put Lynch into scenes. It was like a Barbra Streisand project. Meow. Let me have one catty post from time to time,
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Re: No Ray Wise?

Postby Soolsma » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:57 pm

^- Hehe. The man's vanity did grow over the years.

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This gave me some serious wtfs
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Re: No Ray Wise?

Postby Mordeen » Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:49 am

Soolsma wrote:Hehe, yeah I guessed we noticed a long time ago we have similar trains of thought.

Not sure what you mean by reporting that leak to Sabrina? I once watched Room to Dream and thought it was quite obvious Lynch let them film and publish that. Do you mean that you reported it so she shouldn't be hunting for whoever let that bit of info out?


They posted a screenshot of that script page as part of their promotion despite it only appearing for a second in the actual program.

I reached out to Sabrina to make her aware of it because there was a general understanding that script leaks were absolutely verboten, and that particular scene was the basic codex for understanding the plot of The Return. I may have been a blabbermouth about character names and such, but leaking the plot was something I treaded carefully around.

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Re: No Ray Wise?

Postby mtwentz » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:36 am

Audrey Horne wrote: But the lows were plenty... me glancing away or bored impatience with a mundane scene that wasn’t playing with that impatient in the gleeful way (like the waiter or bank scenes).


Here is an area I do agree with you on. For example, the Candy walking down to greet Anthony Sinclair scene did not have the same sense of humor about it the same way the waiter or bank scenes did. I attribute this to two factors:

1. Old People are funny: Let's face it, as much as we respect our elderly, we all laughed when Lynch lampooned 3 elderly characters in Twin Peaks (Milford, Waiter, Mibbler) and 2 elderly characters in FWWM ('where's my goddamn hotwater Carl' lady and person crossing the street before Mike shouts at Leland and Laura). Lynch is now closer to that age himself, and seems to show more reverence for the elderly :-). Now he wants to lampoon dizzy, absent minded younger people.

2. Humor at dramatically tense moments: In the original run, the 'old men' scenes come at points of maximum suspense. The town hall meeting...Cooper lying on the floor shot...the final secret of Eckert's gift to Andrew about to be revealed...the tension and suspense was high, and Lynch knew exactly how to play on that to cause frustration in us to the point of making us laugh.

By contrast, there's very little about the Candy scenes in particular that are very suspenseful, so I don't think her dizzy minded antics were as effective in creating humor.

But for the record, I do really like some of the other 'slow' scenes, the shovel painting scenes and the sweeping scene in particular. But I certainly understand why most people don't have the same view. As an added note, for some reason that sweeping scene has made me more diligent around the house sweeping the floors, so she at least is thankful for that scene.
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Re: No Ray Wise?

Postby Audrey Horne » Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:24 pm

Yes, and I agree with you for those two examples completely! Because there was an urgency underneath it that it was playing against.

That is why I kinda wished the storyline was more basic and simple... so Lynch could play around with standard storylines and get underneath it. When both the story and direction is convoluted too consistently it started to bottom out for me.

Naturally, I’m being very hard on the show, probably too hard. Most likely because it’s so personal to me (and to us all) that I’m wishing and analyzing little tweaks that would have made it perfection (to me) and excited to keep watching again. As it is now, I cherry pick certain scenes and imagine wat could’ve been. I’m also probably a control freak, huh?
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Re: No Ray Wise?

Postby eyeboogers » Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:58 am

mtwentz wrote:By contrast, there's very little about the Candy scenes in particular that are very suspenseful, so I don't think her dizzy minded antics were as effective in creating humor.



I agree with the point you're making, but bringing in sandwiches for the sheriff's station armageddon scene is still a valiant effort.
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Re: No Ray Wise?

Postby Mordeen » Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:35 am

For me, the only scene that fell flat in any way was Wally Brando's monologue. It lent nothing to the story other than giving Lucy and Andy another ditsy interaction.

However, Sheriff Truman's look of bewilderment and frustration made it pay off, because it made me feel like I was looking through his eyes and sharing his thoughts, and therefore, it got the job done.

Much the same goes for the Roadhouse acts. I hated nearly all of them, but not because they weren't Julee Cruise, but rather they just didn't fit with the vibe of the Roadhouse. Watching all those plaid hipsters sway mindlessly made me want to punch my TV. But then, all of a sudden the bikers start showing up again and literally eject someone from a table, and BOOM, it all paid off.

Have I mentioned that I absolutely loved The Return? I feel it's a rightful heir to the setup of the first two seasons and a bright neon sign that reads NOTHING STAYS THE SAME.

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Re: No Ray Wise?

Postby Mr. Reindeer » Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:47 am

I think Lynch sincerely loved all the Roadhouse bands. He’s been a fan of Au Revoir Simone for years, for instance. Back in ‘89, Julee Cruise’s synthy dream pop would have been just as incongruous in a midwest biker’s roadhouse bar as any of the 2017 acts (the big tough bikers alternately swooning and brawling to Cruise is one of my favorite hilariously incongruous elements of the Pilot). That said, the big payoff moment for me in terms of the TP:TR musical acts was when James took the stage. The world has moved on musically and in every other sense, but poor lost James is still crooning the same sad song (albeit with cute new young backing vocalists).
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Re: No Ray Wise?

Postby LateReg » Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:08 pm

Mordeen wrote:For me, the only scene that fell flat in any way was Wally Brando's monologue. It lent nothing to the story other than giving Lucy and Andy another ditsy interaction.

However, Sheriff Truman's look of bewilderment and frustration made it pay off, because it made me feel like I was looking through his eyes and sharing his thoughts, and therefore, it got the job done.

Much the same goes for the Roadhouse acts. I hated nearly all of them, but not because they weren't Julee Cruise, but rather they just didn't fit with the vibe of the Roadhouse. Watching all those plaid hipsters sway mindlessly made me want to punch my TV. But then, all of a sudden the bikers start showing up again and literally eject someone from a table, and BOOM, it all paid off.

Have I mentioned that I absolutely loved The Return? I feel it's a rightful heir to the setup of the first two seasons and a bright neon sign that reads NOTHING STAYS THE SAME.

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Wally's monologue did contain a plethora of through lines re: Frost's Secret Dossier (themes embedded in the series travelogue and ideas about American history) and the series long history of cinematic references. It's still crazy to me how many people reference the scene as the most hilarious in The Return while others can't stand it.

I liked all of the Roadhouse acts for the feeling they gave me and felt they fit the Roadhouse, especially after I was able to understand not just the sounds but the lyrical connection to what I was seeing onscreen. Plus, ZZ Top's Sharp Dressed Man is one of the Roadhouse favorites...maybe this Roadhouse is not what it seems!

Also edited to add that I like all the Candy scenes very much. I appreciate MT's analysis of why it may not be as funny, but I also think it's different enough that it doesn't quite need to be. I think The Return is more abrasive in the way it tests patience - which can be its own perverse reward - and it in general has a different, less defined tone than the original series' waiter and bank scenes. Part of the humor of the Candy retrieving Tom Sizemore in the casino scene is the sinister music that is playing for next to no reason. It's almost like a parody of previous scenes, especially when considering that Sizemore is trying to sell Dougie out and the brothers simply don't care. And I think Candy's comments about the air conditioning are priceless as a payoff to the patience-testing time she took on the casino floor with him.
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Re: No Ray Wise?

Postby Mordeen » Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:52 pm

This is what's cool about Twin Peaks. So many people can have such divergent opinions of what is or isn't impactful or quality for the show and still love it enough to discuss it in a (usually) civilized way. Cheers!

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Re: No Ray Wise?

Postby Kilmoore » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:36 am

Mordeen wrote:This is what's cool about Twin Peaks. So many people can have such divergent opinions of what is or isn't impactful or quality for the show and still love it enough to discuss it in a (usually) civilized way. Cheers!

I'm quite jealous, since I'm still struggling to find anything positive to say about S3. I keep an eye on the conversation here and while I'm sometimes baffled by peoples interpretations that sound more like products of mental illnesses, there are a lot of people who derived joy from S3 and enjoy exchanging thoughts about it. After waiting for 25 years to have new Twin Peaks to talk about and then being left empty is a frustrating feeling I'm still not quite over yet. So I'll just have to lurk and absorb whatever bits I can get around here.

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