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Repurposed Footage

Postby Mr. Reindeer » Sun Jun 03, 2018 7:33 pm

Has anyone been able to locate the sources for all the repurposed footage of Garland and Bob in the new show?

Garland is relatively easy...I believe we only see the one shot of him (reused in both Part 3 and Part 17), and I think it’s from the “family therapy” scene in Episode 5 (the lighting is exactly right — check out the shadow on the chin — and DKL seems to have been too busy cropping off all Garland’s hair to catch the small booger in the left nostril :lol: ).

With Bob, I’m having a tougher time. User dkenny78 ID’ed the footage for the Part 5 Cooper/Bob mirror morph pretty quickly as being from Episode 16. One of the components in Part 17 is obviously the famous “glare from behind Laura’s bed” pose first seen in Episode 1. I haven’t had any luck in finding the source for the remaining shots, though. The audio for “catch you with my death bag” is obviously from the extended Pilot, but I don’t think any of the actual footage is from there. Several of the “feral Bob” shots look very close to the shot in FWWM when Laura finds Bob in her room and he screams — same angle, same tone/level in the performance — but none are exact matches (several expressions look like they might occur directly before or after the footage in the film). I’m beginning to suspect that this is deleted footage, like the shots of Pete from the Pilot and Leo/Ronette/Jacques from FWWM, also in Part 17.
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Re: Repurposed Footage

Postby Soolsma » Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:53 am

Also BOB in the the egg emerging from Cooper in pt 8 seems very similar to the BOB hiding in Laura's room, when he just shows from behind the light. Seems like that and and the frenzied BOB are indeed taken from a different take of that very scene. If you ask me, Lynch just wanted to make sure he'd use unused footage, to not break a feeling of immersion. He has worked on TMP quite recently so he had plenty of time to skim across a lot of footage.
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Re: Repurposed Footage

Postby piero » Mon Jun 04, 2018 5:38 am

I think some of the BOB footage are from deleted scene/archival footage. I think there are many other footage from the Pilot, series and FWWM kept hidden for a very long time (alternate takes, alt. camere angle - like the one with Laura escaping from her room meeting James, the ride on the Harley, Jacques, Leo and Ronette etc). I wish they were used as bonus material in the special features bluray of the Entire Mystery boxset. Maybe one day...
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Re: Repurposed Footage

Postby Mr. Reindeer » Mon Jun 04, 2018 5:39 am

Soolsma wrote:Also BOB in the the egg emerging from Cooper in pt 8 seems very similar to the BOB hiding in Laura's room, when he just shows from behind the light. Seems like that and and the frenzied BOB are indeed taken from a different take of that very scene. If you ask me, Lynch just wanted to make sure he'd use unused footage, to not break a feeling of immersion. He has worked on TMP quite recently so he had plenty of time to skim across a lot of footage.


I thought the same thing. I have to say, I don’t think about it as much as, say, the Episode 9 couch scene, but that scene in FWWM is one of Silva’s more terrifying moments.
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Re: Repurposed Footage

Postby krishnanspace » Mon Jun 04, 2018 5:43 am

Soolsma wrote:Also BOB in the the egg emerging from Cooper in pt 8 seems very similar to the BOB hiding in Laura's room, when he just shows from behind the light. Seems like that and and the frenzied BOB are indeed taken from a different take of that very scene. If you ask me, Lynch just wanted to make sure he'd use unused footage, to not break a feeling of immersion. He has worked on TMP quite recently so he had plenty of time to skim across a lot of footage.

Same footage but its mirrored if I am correct
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Re: Repurposed Footage

Postby Mr. Reindeer » Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:52 am

It just brought a smile to my face to realize that DKL’s approach to Garland and Bob in the new show is a higher-tech version of Ed Wood’s use of the late Bela Lugosi in one of my favorite films, Plan 9 from Outer Space. DKL was arguably more successful than Wood, of course.
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Re: Repurposed Footage

Postby Mr. Reindeer » Mon Jun 04, 2018 6:05 pm

krishnanspace wrote:
Soolsma wrote:Also BOB in the the egg emerging from Cooper in pt 8 seems very similar to the BOB hiding in Laura's room, when he just shows from behind the light. Seems like that and and the frenzied BOB are indeed taken from a different take of that very scene. If you ask me, Lynch just wanted to make sure he'd use unused footage, to not break a feeling of immersion. He has worked on TMP quite recently so he had plenty of time to skim across a lot of footage.

Same footage but its mirrored if I am correct


Not the same footage. He’s showing more teeth in the Part 8 version.
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Re: Repurposed Footage

Postby thedarktrees » Mon Jun 04, 2018 6:52 pm

I had always thought that many of the Bob orb faces from the Freddie showdown made use of the same Bob footage that was in the Ronnette dream sequence in Season 2 Episode 1 (the one where it shows her dreaming/remembering the actual murder in the traincar). Specifically there's a blurry scene of Bob running straight at the camera, and that one really look a LOT to me like the yelling Bob face they stuck in the orb in Ep. 17.
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Re: Repurposed Footage

Postby Mr. Reindeer » Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:39 pm

thedarktrees wrote:I had always thought that many of the Bob orb faces from the Freddie showdown made use of the same Bob footage that was in the Ronnette dream sequence in Season 2 Episode 1 (the one where it shows her dreaming/remembering the actual murder in the traincar). Specifically there's a blurry scene of Bob running straight at the camera, and that one really look a LOT to me like the yelling Bob face they stuck in the orb in Ep. 17.


I thought the same thing, but when I compared the footage, I realized it’s not even close. That scene, like so much of the Silva footage from the original show, has Bob smiling demonically. The Part 17 footage is mostly smile-free.
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Re: Repurposed Footage

Postby krishnanspace » Sat Jun 09, 2018 4:42 am

https://buf.com/films/twin-peaks/
So it seems all the Bob shots were of a CGI Frank Silva and not repurposed footage

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Also Sarah's face was initially the above image with Lynch Later adding Judy/Experiment
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Re: Repurposed Footage

Postby Mr. Reindeer » Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:16 am

krishnanspace wrote:https://buf.com/films/twin-peaks/
So it seems all the Bob shots were of a CGI Frank Silva and not repurposed footage

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Also Sarah's face was initially the above image with Lynch Later adding Judy/Experiment


I don’t think that’s true, re: Silva. I think BUF included those shots on their reel because they animated the orb. They also may have done some digital manipulation of existing Silva footage, but I’m 99% certain they didn’t create any of that footage from scratch.

As far as Sarah, yes, DKL created what we saw inside her face. A lot of it resembles a piece he made for an art exhibition a few years ago. I would bet that the shot was never intended to be seen the way that it appears in BUF’s reel, they just put the unfinished version in there so that they’re not taking credit for DKL’s work on the finished product.
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cgi after all

Postby Soolsma » Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:20 am

99% won't cut it Reindeer ;) It says so on the website. Scroll down for a ton of interesting descriptions on how scenes were made

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There you have it. Most of the BOB we saw was CGI! They did use some old imagery as reference to color the textures, but not as source material for manipulation.

As Frost said in his AMA in his reply to my question: "from the start, digital was the only way to go"

a fun thread to look back on. Most people thought it'd be Leland!!
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Re: Repurposed Footage

Postby Soolsma » Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:37 am

And this pretty much closes the case on Lynch voicing the tree. Awesome!!!

As Tree had to speak on some shots, Lynch sent us some filmed footage of his mouth so we could match to his lips movement. We created a system that enabled to report automatically the lips movement via optical flow, and used the texture from Lynch' lips.
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Re: Repurposed Footage

Postby krishnanspace » Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:51 am

Soolsma wrote:And this pretty much closes the case on Lynch voicing the tree. Awesome!!!

As Tree had to speak on some shots, Lynch sent us some filmed footage of his mouth so we could match to his lips movement. We created a system that enabled to report automatically the lips movement via optical flow, and used the texture from Lynch' lips.

It doesn't explicitly say that Lynch voiced the arm,just that Lynch's lip movements were used as reference.Maybe someone else voiced it in post production
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Re: Repurposed Footage

Postby krishnanspace » Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:54 am

Most important line in the description which affects the story is about Judy. When she pukes out BoB , the scene is taking place inside the Convenience Store. Also the Fireman's mansion is referred to as a Factory

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