Season 4? Or is it over after this?

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JackwithOneEye wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 4:17 pm
hell do I care if CBS wasted money on a day of shooting that didnt get used.
I know you’re speaking hyperbolically, and I think we’re on the same page on this. But just to be clear, I doubt there were more than a few lines that went unused. I’m not even sure a full scene was cut. TR seems to be one of the tightest productions imaginable in terms of using mostly everything.
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I agree with you 100% Reindeer.

I think these scraps are not much. it's an 18 hour show. I don't think there's much leftover.

and If he needed to license an outtake from CBS, David Lynch is not a student, he can get the money. even in his smaller scale projects, Nina Simone's Sinnerman was in Inland Empire, Kylie Minogue's Locomotion.

This Mortal Coil he couldn't license in BV, and turned out to be blessing, we got Julee Cruise instead.
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To avoid doubt, I was commenting on the unlikely scenario that there's a hidden stash of stuff recorded while shooting The Return that's ready to be put into a new entry.

I agree with both of you in that there isn't actually much left to include regardless of whether it would be tortious to do so.

The discussion pivoted towards outtakes and offcuts but my original point is that the whole thing isn't really feasible in the first place.
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JackwithOneEye wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 4:38 pm I agree with you 100% Reindeer.

I think these scraps are not much. it's an 18 hour show. I don't think there's much leftover.

and If he needed to license an outtake from CBS, David Lynch is not a student, he can get the money. even in his smaller scale projects, Nina Simone's Sinnerman was in Inland Empire, Kylie Minogue's Locomotion.

This Mortal Coil he couldn't license in BV, and turned out to be blessing, we got Julee Cruise instead.
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JackwithOneEye wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 4:38 pm Kylie Minogue's Locomotion.
Little Eva's original version! Not Minogue's version (which I loved as a kid). Though at first I was like "what????? I don't remember that" and had to Google it lol.
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JackwithOneEye wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 4:38 pm This Mortal Coil he couldn't license in BV, and turned out to be blessing, we got Julee Cruise instead.
I didn't know that. So he couldn't get them for BV but later could for LH?
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Pinky wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:56 pm
JackwithOneEye wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 4:38 pm I agree with you 100% Reindeer.

I think these scraps are not much. it's an 18 hour show. I don't think there's much leftover.

and If he needed to license an outtake from CBS, David Lynch is not a student, he can get the money. even in his smaller scale projects, Nina Simone's Sinnerman was in Inland Empire, Kylie Minogue's Locomotion.

This Mortal Coil he couldn't license in BV, and turned out to be blessing, we got Julee Cruise instead.
Little Eva will be spinning in her grave!
:lol: true!
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A few thoughts:

If Unrecorded Night/Wisteria is a TP continuation (either in full or in part) do you think Lynch will bring back some of the characters sorely missing in The Return?

Will he completely disregard the stuff Mark wrote about the characters in his books and have them saying/doing different things with zero regard and continuity towards their outcomes in the books - or will he take those arcs into consideration (I know he hasn't read the books but Sabrina or someone might fill him in)?

Do you think Lynch has already written most of the copyrighted scripts himself or only treatments for them?

Do you think Lynch needs a co-writer (MF or someone else) to help him in the world of TP or how do you think a fully Lynch scripted and directed Peaks (something none of us ever thought we'd see) would look like with zero input from MF?

I know these are questions without answers, but just wondering what people think.
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I do not believe Lynch cares what’s in the books or would use anything. I’m paraphrasing, but he once said something like, “That’s Mark’s history of Twin Peaks. Not mine.” For instance, if he were to theoretically continue on from the end of TR post-scream, I think it would be pretty abstract, as opposed to Frost’s more straightforward “parallel universe” approach.

It’s funny to think back on the fairly direct hints we had at TR gearing up for production (Lynch asking for McGill’s phone number on Twitter, Ontkean asking if anyone knew where Harry’s jacket was). Nothing like that yet this time.
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For some reason, I find it difficult to believe Lynch has already planned out and completely scripted all episodes of Unrecorded Night/Wisteria that have been copyrighted without a co-writer.

I wonder what a continuity nightmare it will be (for fans) if the characters go in wildly different directions than the books - or do most fans consider the MF books as an alternative take or less than strict canon?

In terms of hints like those, maybe they're being more careful this time around - or there's simply no need for that as Lynch/Sabrina know how to contact them all now that they got back in touch.

There has been arguably more social media teasing than before - at least there was up to about a year and a bit ago before it stopped, then the recent wisteria posts.
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Jonah wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 6:26 am I find it difficult to believe Lynch has already planned out and completely scripted all episodes of Unrecorded Night/Wisteria that have been copyrighted without a co-writer.

I wonder what a continuity nightmare it will be if the characters go in wildly different directions than the books - or do most fans consider the MF books as less than strict canon?
I mean, Mark’s books completely changed all sorts of backstories and S2 storylines from the show, so there’s already a ton of contradiction just with the existing material. I think there’s generally been a consensus in the fan community that the books are “soft canon” (“Bobby killed a guy” being totally different in FWWM vs. TSDoLP, etc.). For me, the filmed material takes precedent.

And there’s really not THAT much to contradict. TFD essentially ends in the same place as the show. The only thing it adds is Tammy saying that newspapers from 1989 now show that Laura went missing as opposed to being killed, and this idea of a parallel universe. I don’t think it’s a huge deal if Lynch does something different.
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What was Bobby killed a guy in the books? I still haven't read them - I think they look beautiful and I've read bits and pieces on fandom (which includes them in most of the character descriptions) so while some of the ideas in the books (such as the one I just learned about - the Norma/Big Ed marriage in front of the Big Log) I quite like, I'm not super interested in them myself, though I may yet read them one day. I think I would have preferred them had they been a direct novel or had we not gotten a filmed continuation.

Do you see Lynch scripting an entire new show himself without a co-writer, especially if it's TP? Think it's been a while since he's scripted a major project himself, unless you count Inland Empire, and a lot of that was unscripted, I believe.
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Jonah wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 6:41 am What was Bobby killed a guy in the books?
It was a drug deal gone wrong as in the movie, but totally different circumstances. Bobby, Laura and Leo go to some house in the middle of nowhere to make a buy, and Laura steals a kilo of the guys’ cocaine and hides it in her skirt. A big shootout happens, and they drive off. One guy manages to climb into their truck bed and is struggling with Leo, so Bobby shoots the guy.
Do you see Lynch scripting an entire new show himself without a co-writer, especially if it's TP? Think it's been a while since he's scripted a major project himself, unless you count Inland Empire, and a lot of that was unscripted, I believe.
Yes. I think people have always underestimated Lynch as a writer. I personally have no worries about his scripting abilities. He’s never let me down. YMMV of course.

INLAND EMPIRE was scripted, just not all at once. He started out writing and shooting standalone scenes as they came to him, then eventually found the connective tissue and completed a full feature script that tied everything together.
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Thanks. I could see that process he used for Inland Empire coming to the fore on the new show, but that means the scripts he's copyrighted aren't complete - maybe one is but the rest are either brief treatments or placeholders. I just don't see them all being pre-scripted, but maybe. He scripted BV, which had a very coherent - imo - script. This would be his first time going TP alone, if this is in fact a TP continuation. He even had Engels as a co-writer for FWWM. He did throw out a lot of the script for E29 and went it alone, but even then he had a blueprint to follow.
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My hunch is that he has full scripts (albeit some/all could be more a sketchy blue print like the Eraserhead script where the story was more in his head than on the page). But who knows, the way he writes seems to change/evolve depending on the project to some extent. I don’t think the copyright filing mentioned a page count, right?

I can’t see Netflix booking studio space on the basis of him saying “Don’t worry, I’ll wing it on the day.” I doubt even Lynch has enough faith in himself to completely make up a day’s shoot on the spot (it happened on E29 out of necessity because he hated the script, not because he wanted to work that way). Of course, he may improvise plenty, but I imagine both he and Netflix would want to have actual scripted material prepared to avoid the entire cast and crew standing around in a rented studio waiting on Lynch's writers’ block to pass. This is different from IE, where he was working on his own schedule over several years with a loyal skeleton crew whenever he felt like shooting.
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