Season 4? Or is it over after this?

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I don't like how Netflix charges extra for everything. It's quite expensive as it is in my country, its basic plan is just a smidge cheaper than DIsney Plus, but then you have to pay extra if you want HD or 4K quality or the ability to watch on more than one screen. The other streamers (at the least the ones I use) don't seem to charge for extras like that. So I say they're raking it in. That might change as the other streaming services become more prevalent, but they're doing more than okay, and if they're releasing weekly that's a 4-5 month subscription for the new series, whatever it is.
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I don’t know that Netflix or any other streaming service/network would look at a Lynch work as a potential money maker. Just about everyone has a Netflix subscription now so it’s unlikely they would make a lot off of new subscriptions. I really think it comes down to the prestige of having what could be Lynch’s last major work given his age if something is indeed being planned. I don’t think they need it, but I think they want it. Confused about Netflix dropping the original series, though. Maybe it has something to do with different streaming services merging.
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Well, I'd rather not continue the back and forth when we have so little concrete information so I will just say I stated my case as best as I can and I will let other board members make up their own minds. Personally I'd just like to avoid another "profoundly disappointed" group if this turns out to have nothing to do with TP. For the record, I would prefer a new, original series but I won't be disappointed no matter what it turns out to be, as long as it's actually something.
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underthefan wrote: Thu May 20, 2021 5:10 am Well, I'd rather not continue the back and forth when we have so little concrete information so I will just say I stated my case as best as I can and I will let other board members make up their own minds. Personally I'd just like to avoid another "profoundly disappointed" group if this turns out to have nothing to do with TP. For the record, I would prefer a new, original series but I won't be disappointed no matter what it turns out to be, as long as it's actually something.
Enjoyed the back and forth on my end and you've opened eyes to aspects I hadn't otherwise considered. Hope it's the same with you.
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Of course, Histeria! I didn't mean to suggest I was frustrated by the conversation, but more so with the lack of any concrete information. Until we know more, I guess it's just shooting in the dark. I think it behooves us all to stay patient and open minded. I'll be happy with whatever Lynch has in store!
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My blind grasp at clouds for the day: Today is World Bee Day and there are lots of Bee references abound re: Wisteria/Unrecorded Night.

See you tomorrow for theories on how Lynch's next work links to the "International Day for Biological Diversity".

I think I'm gonna follow underthefan and check out for a few days :lol:
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David Lynch confirmed to direct the next BumbleBee Transformers movie
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Histeria wrote: Thu May 20, 2021 4:44 am Also, $85m isn't that much for Netflix series orders. They spent hundreds of millions on The Irishman despite getting far more financial benefit from a mid-ranking series than a hugely successful one-off film.

I'd actually be more surprised if the budget didn't exceed the rumoured $85m.
Let's see. The rumors were pointing to either 13 or 25 episodes. We can compare it to a list of the most expensive Netflix shows.
85/13 = 6.53 mil per ep. Putting it between House of Cards (5m per ep) and Altered Carbon (both 7m per ep).
85/25= 3.4 mil per ep. Putting it between Narcos (2,5m per ep) and Orange is the New Black (4m per ep).

It may seem like a lot for a Lynch production, but then again, it doesn't seem THAT unlikely. Though in the first instance it will probably not be a commonly known hit as most of the mentioned above, it is way more likely to vastly outlive the cultural significance of all of the above and hold it's value for a long time.
Heck, look at what at Sense8 got.

85 mil is significantly more than the average netflix show would get for a season though.
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Oddly, What's on Netflix threw this line into their coverage of Twin Peaks S1&S2 leaving Netflix (https://www.whats-on-netflix.com/leavin ... july-2021/:
Now David Lynch fans will still want to cling on to their Netflix subscriptions. His short movie WHAT DID JACK DO? will remain on Netflix for the foreseeable plus last November, we reported on the fact he’s likely reteaming up with Mark Frost on a new project that’s going under the name of Unrecorded Night.
But in the original piece from last November they are referencing it explicitly quotes Mark Frost saying he's not involved. Either they know something we don't or they got their facts wrong. I'm betting on the latter.
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Yeah. That's just an error.
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I remembered reading this article when the Dark Crystal was cancelled, about an executive being let go:

https://www.spoilertv.com/search?max-results=40

“In an article by The Hollywood Reporter discussing Netflix letting go long time executive Cindy Holland, they discussed Holland being responsible for several expensive shows that did not perform for the streamer“.

That was the September of 2020. Would the timeline make sense for the possibility that David Lynch’s meeting at Netflix was with a former exec who was more open to funding big projects that would be considered more weird or niche? I remember being surprised (but delighted) that The Dark Crystal was coming back with a big budget series, being a bit of a cult classic in some ways. I know that David Lynch is pretty widely beloved and his work is not as niche as it sometimes feels.

What Did Jack Do was 2017. I was wondering if the Production Weekly date could have come from a previous arrangement that has since moved elsewhere after Netflix shifted personnel.

All just waiting room induced speculation. I would do more “research” and read the thread pages I’ve missed, but a big work deadline is sadly preventing that. Thought it might be something worth thinking about (or easily dispelling) in lieu of actual news, as ill informed as it is. I suppose we would have heard about a Lynch project at Netflix getting the plug pulled, and it’s probably unlikely that they’d even do that but my brain is just wandering today. I still choose to believe that something is happening somewhere.
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What if Netflix is keeping Twin Peaks and adding The Return in a seperate deal that will go live sometime between the current one lapsing and Unrecorded Night releasing.

What if Unrecorded Night is announced on or just after the day Netflix's current Twin Peaks licencing deal ends.

https://twitter.com/BigLeeMarvinFan/sta ... 56768?s=19

This guy is a top tease on Insta btw. Mostly in stories that he posts and deletes within an hour or so. A few months ago I downloaded Insta for a week or so for a bit of casual Twin Peaks stalking before realising how absurd that whole endeavour was and swiftly deleting it. And my biggest takeaway was Ray teasing stuff with superelaborate stories that he'd delete within minutes sometimes.

Though I shoud caveat that with the possibility he's just being a fan. And if so that's really endearing too.
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George Griffith is definitely one of us, been a fan since the 90s and was lucky enough to get the role in The Return. A really nice guy.

I also just learned that The Return is NOT available on Paramount Plus (only S1/S2 are). The only way to watch The Return as it turns out is through Showtime app or Hulu with Showtime add-on. Looks like Showtime is keeping The Return close to the vest. Make of that what you will.
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underthefan wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 2:19 am George Griffith is definitely one of us, been a fan since the 90s and was lucky enough to get the role in The Return. A really nice guy.

I also just learned that The Return is NOT available on Paramount Plus (only S1/S2 are). The only way to watch The Return as it turns out is through Showtime app or Hulu with Showtime add-on. Looks like Showtime is keeping The Return close to the vest. Make of that what you will.
He's also a very close friend of Lynch!

Interesting on the Showtime front. Also interesting is how Showtime's Twin Peaks handle suddenly stopped engaging on Twitter at some point. It didn't even push the Vannen watches for weeks until (I assume) someone asked them to.

They'd posted regularly before suddenly stopping a few months ago. I'd wondered if this was leading up to them selling or relinquishing the rights to the show. I think that possibility still remains. Especially when they seem to be going towards consolidation of assets in P+.

It's also interesting how CBS are being a lot more protective of their merch and image rights since 2019 or so. Seems counterintuitive that they'd only start enforcing it long after the show had exited the daily conversation. They refused some design ideas that Vannen proposed for watchfaces and wanted to lean on fan publications before Frost stepped in to warn them off. Plus the fan convention thing.

To me it feels like they want to control what they have left after losing the "crown jewel" of the actual series (either selling the rights or just not having the next instalment). But it could just as easily be them gearing up to release a new one themselves or on P+.
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