Re: Season 4? Or is it over after this?
Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 8:51 am
My top 5 are Coppola, Hitchcock, Kubrick, Lynch and Scorcese. I'm anxious to see what more Ang Lee does in the coming years, I think he's incredible too.
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Thanks for the great and nuanced response! My only disagreement is that I think that silliness is just all part of the fun. There's a winking quality to North by Northwest (as in all of Hitchcock), but I get what you're saying. I don't have the time to get into the plot-focused side of Hitchcock, because I think that's a very nuanced discussion that requires a deep dive into all of his films, themes, obsessions, and what he was doing within the studio system/genre. He certainly SEEMS plot-focused at times, but needless to say I think there's a lot more to it (and I know you're not saying that that's all there is, either). I'm not trying to be short or withholding, either, so please don't take it that way. I'm just in the middle of a sad family situation right now.Stavrogyn wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 8:43 am
I can appreciate this, and am aware of Hitchcock's status, importance, and influence, but there are a few clear reasons why I dislike this film. (I watched it recently, last year, so it's not like my taste and judgment might have changed in the meantime.) The main thing is that I just don't like spy thriller / adventure films, especially not from the 60's (I'm talking specifically about American films of that genre from that period; it's not that I don't like 60's in general - there is so much to adore, just the French New Wave would be more than enough), and when these films are combined with comedy and romance, that makes it even worse. I am not trying to bash something other people might enjoy, and I know North by Northwest is regarded as a great film, but if I could use only one word to describe it, I would say it is just too silly. The film lost me in its first few minutes, at the moment when the bad guys manage to kidnap Cary Grant's character in the middle of a high-class club / bar - he should have just yelled "Help!", and that would be the end.
The fact that the film was so influential does not help either; I kind of blame it for that whole genre, the James Bond films, etc. Another example I can think of that really irritated me was Charade (1963), also starring Cary Grant... Give me black and white film noir intrigues from the 40's and 50's anytime, and spare me the goofy suspense thrillers from the 60's
À propos Alfred Hitchcock: I have seen around a dozen of his films - Rope (1948) is one of my all time favorite films, and I always liked Psycho - but generally he is just too plot driven for my taste. We mentioned Ingmar Bergman in another thread; now there is a director who is nothing like Hitchcock, but who may serve as a great example of the style, themes and "genres" I tend to lean to, as opposed to the more famous things Hitchcock did. (I might try seeing more of his earlier films.)
I would also like to hear which are, according to you, other 4 from the top 5 four-film runs in movie history. I'm guessing Stanley Kubrick and Francis Ford Coppola must be among them?
I hope that's not true. Could he really pull the plug on a major Netflix production though if contracts are signed etc? Maybe he just instructed everyone to go mute and stop hinting, hence Kyle's backpeddling on hisIckles wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 9:51 am According to somebody on reddit who had “inside knowledge” (the impression I got from talking to them is that they know somebody in Lynch’s orbit, they are based out of LA) Lynch was “personally upset that Wisteria got leaked before production could get underway, and so he pulled the plug until attention winds down” but who knows how long that will be or if Netflix decides to abort, etc.
Thank you for your response, and I wish all the best to you and your family.LateReg wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 9:25 amThanks for the great and nuanced response! My only disagreement is that I think that silliness is just all part of the fun. There's a winking quality to North by Northwest (as in all of Hitchcock), but I get what you're saying. I don't have the time to get into the plot-focused side of Hitchcock, because I think that's a very nuanced discussion that requires a deep dive into all of his films, themes, obsessions, and what he was doing within the studio system/genre. He certainly SEEMS plot-focused at times, but needless to say I think there's a lot more to it (and I know you're not saying that that's all there is, either). I'm not trying to be short or withholding, either, so please don't take it that way. I'm just in the middle of a sad family situation right now.Stavrogyn wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 8:43 am
I can appreciate this, and am aware of Hitchcock's status, importance, and influence, but there are a few clear reasons why I dislike this film. (I watched it recently, last year, so it's not like my taste and judgment might have changed in the meantime.) The main thing is that I just don't like spy thriller / adventure films, especially not from the 60's (I'm talking specifically about American films of that genre from that period; it's not that I don't like 60's in general - there is so much to adore, just the French New Wave would be more than enough), and when these films are combined with comedy and romance, that makes it even worse. I am not trying to bash something other people might enjoy, and I know North by Northwest is regarded as a great film, but if I could use only one word to describe it, I would say it is just too silly. The film lost me in its first few minutes, at the moment when the bad guys manage to kidnap Cary Grant's character in the middle of a high-class club / bar - he should have just yelled "Help!", and that would be the end.
The fact that the film was so influential does not help either; I kind of blame it for that whole genre, the James Bond films, etc. Another example I can think of that really irritated me was Charade (1963), also starring Cary Grant... Give me black and white film noir intrigues from the 40's and 50's anytime, and spare me the goofy suspense thrillers from the 60's
À propos Alfred Hitchcock: I have seen around a dozen of his films - Rope (1948) is one of my all time favorite films, and I always liked Psycho - but generally he is just too plot driven for my taste. We mentioned Ingmar Bergman in another thread; now there is a director who is nothing like Hitchcock, but who may serve as a great example of the style, themes and "genres" I tend to lean to, as opposed to the more famous things Hitchcock did. (I might try seeing more of his earlier films.)
I would also like to hear which are, according to you, other 4 from the top 5 four-film runs in movie history. I'm guessing Stanley Kubrick and Francis Ford Coppola must be among them?
As far as the other four-film runs, I don't know that I actually had all 5 in mind, and was more so just citing an arbitrary number to be filled out later. That said, I have thought of this before, and three others are unquestionably Kubrick, Coppola, and Tarkovsky. Off the top of my head, I can't recall others I've thought of in the past, but I will say that I think Godard has the best-ever run of films from 1960 to 1967, but I'm not sure which four-straight within that 15-film run would qualify.
Sorry to derail thread!
That's someone just inventing tales to post on reddit. Whilst I am sure Lynch didn't want the Production Weekly details going public, the pandemic is far more significant in any delays. As he said before on a weather report the first time he mentioned Dire Straits, he said we are now in dire straits what with covid-19. Of course he did his KCRW call-out this week for Dire Straits' Sultans of Swing. Whether that's Lynch saying he's still in 'dire straits', I can imagine so.Jonah wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 9:54 amI hope that's not true. Could he really pull the plug on a major Netflix production though if contracts are signed etc? Maybe he just instructed everyone to go mute and stop hinting, hence Kyle's backpeddling on hisIckles wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 9:51 am According to somebody on reddit who had “inside knowledge” (the impression I got from talking to them is that they know somebody in Lynch’s orbit, they are based out of LA) Lynch was “personally upset that Wisteria got leaked before production could get underway, and so he pulled the plug until attention winds down” but who knows how long that will be or if Netflix decides to abort, etc.
#wisteria post, etc.